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This is completely the opposite of my experience. I've been running Wayland on Pop OS since last year and it has been great. X11 had horrible tearing on extern

by edent 6y ago

This is completely the opposite of my experience. I've been running Wayland on Pop OS since last year and it has been great. X11 had horrible tearing on external rotated screens - Wayland fixed that. Colour temperature changing works. Screensharing works just fine on Chrome and Firefox. I use it every day. Screen recording works with Gnome's built in recorder. I'm sure there are a few esoteric bits which don't work - but I've had nothing but success with it.

axlee 6y ago
Did you manage to get screensharing working with Slack on Wayland? Did you manage to setup more than 1 monitor to run on various (an sometimes very different) dpi settings?
- skyfaller 6y ago
  I've found it very difficult to make screensharing work at all in Wayland. On the other hand, the reason I switched to Wayland was that I wasn't able to get multiple monitors with different pixel densities working in Xorg. That works fine in Wayland, and since one of my monitors was unusable without being able to choose different pixel densities for each monitor, Wayland it is. If it matters, I'm using Pop OS on a System76 Thelio.
- edent 6y ago
  I don't use Slack for that, but it works on Zoom, Teams, and Meet. So I suspect it works. I have set up fractional scaling of different fractions on all three of my screens. No issues on Wayland.
  - normaler 6y ago
    The biggest issue with slack and wayland is due to Slack running via Xwayland (so not wayland native). When electron 12 is released and slack will be build using it, it will be possible to use slack as a native wayland application and then screensharing should work.
  - cycomanic 6y ago
    One of the things I noticed with fractional scaling on my 4K monitor that video playback occasionally looks choppy, which is slightly annoying because I don't want integer scaling because my other monitor is a factor of about 1.4 off. That never worked under X11 either so not a problem with wayland, just it would be nice to find a solution.
- canofbars 6y ago
  You could try it in chrome which has wayland support. Wayland support was added to chrome and electron recently but it looks like most electron apps are on old versions.
izacus 6y ago
Not to mention that mixed DPI screens work! I'm using Ubuntu 20.04 on an XPS13 and can finally have different scaling factors between the internal HiDPI screen and external normal DPI screen without awful issues.
- LeonM 6y ago
  Holy sh... I've been battling this for YEARS now on X11. I'll try Wayland and see if it's better
  - michaelmrose 6y ago
    If that doesn't why not get all high dpi hardware
    - canofbars 6y ago
      For me I have a 60fps 4k monitor and a 1080p monitor. I want a higher refresh rate monitor for gaming but I do not want to drop down to 1440p on my main monitor so I am waiting for 4k high refresh rate monitors to become affordable. Wayland makes it possible to wait that out and doesn't break anything I do.
    - sammorrowdrums 6y ago
      Sometimes you plug into monitors that you don't own. Some monitors also have unusual dpi where they are HiPDI but don't suit 2x UI scaling. A very popular LG USB-C 4K monitor is in that camp.
    - izacus 6y ago
      My external monitor is 3440x1440. Equivalent HiDPI monitors didn't exist. Perhaps maybe they do now, but the pricing would be prohibitive.
      - scatters 6y ago
        My 3840x2160 external monitor has a pixel density of approx. 275 ppi. IIRC it cost approx. $300, not exactly prohibitive.
GrayShade 6y ago
There's also an OBS branch with Wayland support.
feelix 6y ago
I've had the opposite experience too. I have an Nvidia linux card and Wayland on Fedora has always worked very well for me. In comparison Xorg on Ubuntu was a nightmare on the same machine
- kolme 6y ago
  Do you use the proprietary drivers?
  - feelix 6y ago
    yes, I reluctantly do indeed
2pEXgD0fZ5cF 6y ago
Same here, I am using Sway WM on top of Wayland as my daily driver both at home and at work since early 2020. So far I am not really missing anything from xorg after all the horror stories that kept me from giving it an honest try earlier. This is of course a personal experience and I don't doubt there are things that might break, but I haven't encountered them and I'm very happy with Wayland.
ducktective 6y ago
As always is the case with Linux, it's about this "esoteric bits" that are actually not "esoteric" nor "bits" depending on the user's workflow...
ekianjo 6y ago
> Firefox Firefox is quite buggy on Wayland, you need to set up some environment flags before launching it, and there's a trove of bugs still open for it. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=635134 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=635134 > I'm sure there are a few esoteric bits which don't work Like cut and paste between different kind of applications, which is an horrible user experience tbh.
- the_duke 6y ago
  The only env var you have to set is MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1. You will probably also want to force enable webrender (gfx.webrender.all = true in about:config), which still isn't on by default apparently. I've used this for more than a year on Sway. Recently I had some issues with addon dialogues , but mostly it's been running just fine and with best in class performance, very noticeably faster than Chrome.
- edent 6y ago
  Sorry, that's not my experience. I installed FF and launched it. No fiddling required. Everything works.
  - mgbmtl 6y ago
    I think it's mostly buggy when using an external monitor with a different DPI (internal 4k with an external 1080p, in my case). With the environment flag, it works pretty well. On Gnome, plugins can cause issues. hidetopbar, for example, had an issue with Firefox when the screens are stacked vertically.
- magnusmorton 6y ago
  Firefox has just been updated to fix copy and paste issues on wayland, apparently
- xyzal 6y ago
  The clipboard issue was the bug that forced me to switch back to X11. I need to have a Windows VM running constantly due to some proprietary software at work, and copying/pasting text under wayland between the VM and linux almost never works as expected.
jcelerier 6y ago
> Screen recording works with Gnome's built in recorder. okay, but what if I don't like gnome ? e.g. I had to record a screencap of a bug of a software (that, uh, occurs only under wayland) so I went under weston and, well apparently there is also a screen capture tool but it is incompatible. On X11 I use simplescreenrecorder no matter the desktop (I mostly use i3wm or KDE Plasma depending on the circumstances). Also what's the way to set a different keymap, that would work for any wayland compositor ? `setxkbmap` used to work but doesn't anymore and this is fairly frustrating and I really really don't want to have to learn one command per compositor. Moving windows (or even the mouse cursor) also feels absolutely sluggish on wayland, like the frame rate is halved. X11 / i3 : https://streamable.com/fo8ixw https://streamable.com/fo8ixw weston-eglstream : https://streamable.com/wmp6vy https://streamable.com/wmp6vy Also switching in/out from a wayland tty apparently gets it stuck here. etc etc... it's just painful from start to end
- roblabla 6y ago
  > okay, but what if I don't like gnome ? Under X11, the screen capture and recording doesn't work when one of my screen is scaled and rotated. The capture will turn entirely black, even when capturing on my other screens. If I want to capture something, I need to unplug that monitor (or change my xrandr settings to put it back to horizontal). Works just fine under Wayland with Sway. Improvements in X11 break software all the time too. It's not a wayland thing.
- WhyNotHugo 6y ago
  There's also screen recorders for sway (which I guess you'd be using if you're currently an i3 user).
- adrusi 6y ago
  Screen recording was something that couldn't just be copied over from X when building wayland, because the way X does it lets any application just read any visible data from any other application with a window open. Avoiding that kind of security hole was one of the main goals of Wayland. So it took a while for screen capture to work on Wayland. I agree that it was questionable for distros like Fedora to move to Wayland before such a critical feature was working, but now it works. Because Wayland is a protocol with no canonical implementation, it is going to take a bit of time for all compositors to implement the new standard for screen capture. But gnome has implemented it, so has wlroots, and I assume KDE has or soon will. Weston is a toy compositor, not intended for serious use, so it's not surprising if it lags behind.
baybal2 6y ago
> Colour temperature changing works. And so it on X11.

by edent 6y ago

axlee 6y ago

Did you manage to get screensharing working with Slack on Wayland? Did you manage to setup more than 1 monitor to run on various (an sometimes very different) dpi settings?

skyfaller 6y ago
I've found it very difficult to make screensharing work at all in Wayland. On the other hand, the reason I switched to Wayland was that I wasn't able to get multiple monitors with different pixel densities working in Xorg. That works fine in Wayland, and since one of my monitors was unusable without being able to choose different pixel densities for each monitor, Wayland it is. If it matters, I'm using Pop OS on a System76 Thelio.
edent 6y ago
I don't use Slack for that, but it works on Zoom, Teams, and Meet. So I suspect it works. I have set up fractional scaling of different fractions on all three of my screens. No issues on Wayland.
- normaler 6y ago
  The biggest issue with slack and wayland is due to Slack running via Xwayland (so not wayland native). When electron 12 is released and slack will be build using it, it will be possible to use slack as a native wayland application and then screensharing should work.
- cycomanic 6y ago
  One of the things I noticed with fractional scaling on my 4K monitor that video playback occasionally looks choppy, which is slightly annoying because I don't want integer scaling because my other monitor is a factor of about 1.4 off. That never worked under X11 either so not a problem with wayland, just it would be nice to find a solution.
canofbars 6y ago
You could try it in chrome which has wayland support. Wayland support was added to chrome and electron recently but it looks like most electron apps are on old versions.

izacus 6y ago

Not to mention that mixed DPI screens work! I'm using Ubuntu 20.04 on an XPS13 and can finally have different scaling factors between the internal HiDPI screen and external normal DPI screen without awful issues.

LeonM 6y ago
Holy sh... I've been battling this for YEARS now on X11. I'll try Wayland and see if it's better
- michaelmrose 6y ago
  If that doesn't why not get all high dpi hardware
  - canofbars 6y ago
    For me I have a 60fps 4k monitor and a 1080p monitor. I want a higher refresh rate monitor for gaming but I do not want to drop down to 1440p on my main monitor so I am waiting for 4k high refresh rate monitors to become affordable. Wayland makes it possible to wait that out and doesn't break anything I do.
  - sammorrowdrums 6y ago
    Sometimes you plug into monitors that you don't own. Some monitors also have unusual dpi where they are HiPDI but don't suit 2x UI scaling. A very popular LG USB-C 4K monitor is in that camp.
  - izacus 6y ago
    My external monitor is 3440x1440. Equivalent HiDPI monitors didn't exist. Perhaps maybe they do now, but the pricing would be prohibitive.
    - scatters 6y ago
      My 3840x2160 external monitor has a pixel density of approx. 275 ppi. IIRC it cost approx. $300, not exactly prohibitive.

GrayShade 6y ago

There's also an OBS branch with Wayland support.

feelix 6y ago

I've had the opposite experience too. I have an Nvidia linux card and Wayland on Fedora has always worked very well for me. In comparison Xorg on Ubuntu was a nightmare on the same machine

kolme 6y ago
Do you use the proprietary drivers?
- feelix 6y ago
  yes, I reluctantly do indeed

2pEXgD0fZ5cF 6y ago

Same here, I am using Sway WM on top of Wayland as my daily driver both at home and at work since early 2020. So far I am not really missing anything from xorg after all the horror stories that kept me from giving it an honest try earlier. This is of course a personal experience and I don't doubt there are things that might break, but I haven't encountered them and I'm very happy with Wayland.

ducktective 6y ago

As always is the case with Linux, it's about this "esoteric bits" that are actually not "esoteric" nor "bits" depending on the user's workflow...

ekianjo 6y ago

> Firefox Firefox is quite buggy on Wayland, you need to set up some environment flags before launching it, and there's a trove of bugs still open for it. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=635134 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=635134 > I'm sure there are a few esoteric bits which don't work Like cut and paste between different kind of applications, which is an horrible user experience tbh.

the_duke 6y ago
The only env var you have to set is MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1. You will probably also want to force enable webrender (gfx.webrender.all = true in about:config), which still isn't on by default apparently. I've used this for more than a year on Sway. Recently I had some issues with addon dialogues , but mostly it's been running just fine and with best in class performance, very noticeably faster than Chrome.
edent 6y ago
Sorry, that's not my experience. I installed FF and launched it. No fiddling required. Everything works.
- mgbmtl 6y ago
  I think it's mostly buggy when using an external monitor with a different DPI (internal 4k with an external 1080p, in my case). With the environment flag, it works pretty well. On Gnome, plugins can cause issues. hidetopbar, for example, had an issue with Firefox when the screens are stacked vertically.
magnusmorton 6y ago
Firefox has just been updated to fix copy and paste issues on wayland, apparently
xyzal 6y ago
The clipboard issue was the bug that forced me to switch back to X11. I need to have a Windows VM running constantly due to some proprietary software at work, and copying/pasting text under wayland between the VM and linux almost never works as expected.

jcelerier 6y ago

> Screen recording works with Gnome's built in recorder. okay, but what if I don't like gnome ? e.g. I had to record a screencap of a bug of a software (that, uh, occurs only under wayland) so I went under weston and, well apparently there is also a screen capture tool but it is incompatible. On X11 I use simplescreenrecorder no matter the desktop (I mostly use i3wm or KDE Plasma depending on the circumstances). Also what's the way to set a different keymap, that would work for any wayland compositor ? `setxkbmap` used to work but doesn't anymore and this is fairly frustrating and I really really don't want to have to learn one command per compositor. Moving windows (or even the mouse cursor) also feels absolutely sluggish on wayland, like the frame rate is halved. X11 / i3 : https://streamable.com/fo8ixw https://streamable.com/fo8ixw weston-eglstream : https://streamable.com/wmp6vy https://streamable.com/wmp6vy Also switching in/out from a wayland tty apparently gets it stuck here. etc etc... it's just painful from start to end

roblabla 6y ago
> okay, but what if I don't like gnome ? Under X11, the screen capture and recording doesn't work when one of my screen is scaled and rotated. The capture will turn entirely black, even when capturing on my other screens. If I want to capture something, I need to unplug that monitor (or change my xrandr settings to put it back to horizontal). Works just fine under Wayland with Sway. Improvements in X11 break software all the time too. It's not a wayland thing.
WhyNotHugo 6y ago
There's also screen recorders for sway (which I guess you'd be using if you're currently an i3 user).
adrusi 6y ago
Screen recording was something that couldn't just be copied over from X when building wayland, because the way X does it lets any application just read any visible data from any other application with a window open. Avoiding that kind of security hole was one of the main goals of Wayland. So it took a while for screen capture to work on Wayland. I agree that it was questionable for distros like Fedora to move to Wayland before such a critical feature was working, but now it works. Because Wayland is a protocol with no canonical implementation, it is going to take a bit of time for all compositors to implement the new standard for screen capture. But gnome has implemented it, so has wlroots, and I assume KDE has or soon will. Weston is a toy compositor, not intended for serious use, so it's not surprising if it lags behind.

baybal2 6y ago

> Colour temperature changing works. And so it on X11.