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> how does anyone who greenlit this on any level still have a job? Have you ever worked for a tech company? They don't just fire PMs/leads because their projec
by toephu2 6y ago
> how does anyone who greenlit this on any level still have a job?
Have you ever worked for a tech company?
They don't just fire PMs/leads because their project failed. We are all human, we all make mistakes, in fact I bet 90% of the projects Google works on fail (public and private). It's the 10% that succeed that the company is going after (but you don't know that until after the fact of course). The PMs that drove this will simply move on to the next project and keep trying until they get a hit.
- CyberRabbi 6y agoThere is being human and there is being incompetent. Stadia did not fail because of bad luck. There were lots of obviously bad decisions made that went into this. If what you’re saying is true, then the decision makers moving on to other projects are just burning Google’s money without repercussions. Oh well, no one actually cares I guess.
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- simonh 6y agoThe problem with that is that it creates a culture of complacency. If failure is acceptable and even expected to be the norm, then don't be surprised when lots of projects you thought would be sure-fire hits or are executed successfully by competitors end up failing.
- arkitaip 6y agoSo how do you prevent mediocricy because every employee is afraid of failing because of the draconian consequences?
- simonh 6y agoWhy are you assuming the consequences should be draconian? There might not even need to be any consequences in any given case, but there should be an appropriate and fair approach to rewards and possible consequences.
- arkitaip 6y agoBecause grand parents mentioned firing people...
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- Xelbair 6y agoWell to be fair Stadia was an idiotic project that was doomed to fail due to physical constraints(getting sub 80ms latency, and that's VERY generous for input latency that people are used to), which are unsolvable. No ML does not fix that, because if game predicts your inputs are you even playing it, not to mention the frustration when it mispredicts. That's the sort of thing you have engineers for - so you don't sink money in something so idiotic. Not to mention that they picked the worst possible business model: pay price for title and pay a subscription at once. The one who greenlit it, and proposed it should be under scrutiny.
- fsloth 6y agoDisagree very strongly that it would be idiotic. Nvidia's GeForce go is under the same physical constraints and Cyberpunk 2077 is very playable there (so I can play it on my IPad Pro using XBox bluetooth controller...) . There are lot's games where brief latency is not a problem. I agree for some games latency is a dealbreaker but hardly for all.
- Mindwipe 6y agoGeForce go also took down almost all of it's titles due to licensing issues where Nvidia were too afraid to upset their partners, which shows there is no business here and they should never have invested in the first place. But at least Nvidia's initial conceit was that it would piggy back on someone else's content ecosystem rather than building their own - building your own gaming content ecosystem is a) incredibly hard b) a fifteen year plus project and c) costs a hundred billion dollars. Google weren't willing to do those but launched a project that needed them.
- heavenlyblue 6y agoHow do you prevent mediocrity when every employee is nice, accepting of failure of others but absolutely useless?
- bostik 6y agoThis reads like a classic Dilbert strip. Sure, we all know 9 out of 10 projects fail. Let's make sure we only ever begin the 1 that doesn't.
- teddyh 6y agoFound it: https://dilbert.com/strip/2000-03-08 https://dilbert.com/strip/2000-03-08 “One out of ten research and development projects will succeed. I recommend cancelling the other nine.”
- turbinerneiter 6y agoIf you accept failure that easily, you will never try hard to turn anything around. You need some sort of balance between the two.
- usize 6y agoWhy is it that all of the most competent people I've worked with have been humble and empathetic towards failure, while most of the mediocre to not so good people have had harsh attitudes towards others? It makes me sad.
- Mindwipe 6y ago> We are all human, we all make mistakes, in fact I bet 90% of the projects Google works on fail (public and private). The fact that well over 90% of the products Google launches fail for very understandable reasons (I would argue that the last successful product Google launched was Android, and they technically acquired that) is why Google's structure and management need to change.