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Instead of learning about short selling from famous long-only investors who don't specialise in short selling and have no particular skills in the area, another
by shoo 6y ago
Instead of learning about short selling from famous long-only investors who don't specialise in short selling and have no particular skills in the area, another idea is to learn about short selling from people who have done it successfully & have built a long career around it.
E.g. consider Jim Chanos & Kynikos Associates. Chanos founded Kynikos in 1985. Kynikos has a short-only fund, a long-short fund and a 190% long/90% short fund (i.e. a +100% net long fund).
This FT alphaville interview with Chanos: https://www.ft.com/content/da70b2f9-3a0b-4258-9996-86dfd68029ed https://www.ft.com/content/da70b2f9-3a0b-4258-9996-86dfd6802... contains a few interesting morsels of information -- including some touching on risk management & the risks that short sellers are exposed to in periods of market instability where there is a risk that counterparties might go bankrupt, e.g. during the GFC.
* "I've seen far more stocks go to zero than to infinity"
* "short selling is a portfolio [...] no one position will ever be more than 3 or 4% of the portfolio"
* "if you go into one of our partnerships, as a limited partner, you can only lose what you put in"
* "the short side has a lot of asymmetries: [...] if a position goes for you, it becomes smaller, unlike on the long side"
* "if you gave me $100 and I just had a one stock portfolio on the short side, you wouldn't have to give me any more money and if I shorted Enron $100 and continued to short it on the way down, I could make more than 100%. I'll let you think that through"
- melling 6y agoYeah, I already know about Chanos. He’s got a great story. I love to listen to his insight. Andrew Left is good too. Chanos was shorting Tesla for several years. Not sure if closed that position. Potentially Unlimited losses. What happens to a 100 million short at $200 that goes to $2000
- imtringued 6y agoOk, then stop shorting beyond 100%. There are people on HN that are foolish enough to short a stock that is about to be squeezed. Yeah it will go down one day but on that same day the interest payments will have shot up high enough to force you to cover and that's what has driven the price down. Your own bankruptcy.