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Sadly the Indian govt passed the laws without taking opposition and farmers in confidence. They passed the law very bluntly. Thats from where all this started.

Sadly the Indian govt passed the laws without taking opposition and farmers in confidence. They passed the law very bluntly. Thats from where all this started. It's very simple thing to solve but current govt want to make it political. They are basically saying MSP(Minimum selling price) is not affected. But farmers protesting why you include this in bill. But because of govt ego millions of farmers are protesting for their own livelihood.

quantgenius 6y ago
The bill was public. It was debated for a while, and anyone could have read it during that period if they chose to. There was none of the here is a 5000 page bill and you must pass it in 2 hours or the economy goes under like happens in the US Congress. They not only took the farmers into confidence, they took the opinions of the farmers into consideration and amended the bill. Each individual substantive line item being demanded by the protesters is already included in the bill. The bill literally cannot harm any actual farmer. It will prevent certain bureaucrats and politicians from receiving bribes from the buyers of produce and as a result will likely increase what the farmers receive by the amount of the bribe paid. They can quite literally only get MORE for produce than they get now, the bill obligates the government to guarantee this.
- imtringued 6y ago
  I don't think a single HN submission does this topic justice but the fact that there are so many small farmers to begin with is strange. It's highly inefficient. It would be better if they get a city job and let a big agriculture company take over. This would increase incomes on both sides.
  - pkd 6y ago
    Having many small players is not by itself inefficient. The inefficiencies come from lack of modernisation which is (in large part) a direct result of the stasis induced by the kind of government meddling that these farm bills are trying to reform.
  - selimthegrim 6y ago
    It’s a status thing. If you are Jat Sikh you own land or work in military, otherwise unless you have business forget about a rishta
    - sbmthakur 6y ago
      That could explain why protests have large scale support in areas dominated by Sikhs and Jats.
- alex_smart 6y ago
  To add to this, most of the farmer organizations protesting these reforms had themselves been asking for them for years. Just one example: https://twitter.com/BKU_KisanUnion/status/1101674010666913792 https://twitter.com/BKU_KisanUnion/status/110167401066691379...
- sifar 6y ago
  >> The bill literally cannot harm any actual farmer. That is a very bold claim. How would one prove it.
- srean 6y ago
  > It was debated for a while, and anyone could have read it during that period if they chose to. You are playing semantic games here. Please post the records of Rajya Sabha discussions and the Lok Sabha discussions (these are the houses of parliament in India). Then lets compare that with the process and volume of discussion of other laws that were passed (barring abrogation of article 370, demonetization, CAA/NRC were more or less the same methods of sneaking in a law were applied)
yinyang_in 6y ago
This is second comment of mine in this thread, not a troll but normal human who wants to see what people see up here and what I'm missing. Can you help me point out which laws passed have MSP mentioned. I actually read all three laws but couldn't find mentioned of MSP or MSP alternation. Just want to know is your opinion based on newspaper or news channel or you actually did some research on it. No offense just want to understand.

quantgenius 6y ago

The bill was public. It was debated for a while, and anyone could have read it during that period if they chose to. There was none of the here is a 5000 page bill and you must pass it in 2 hours or the economy goes under like happens in the US Congress. They not only took the farmers into confidence, they took the opinions of the farmers into consideration and amended the bill. Each individual substantive line item being demanded by the protesters is already included in the bill. The bill literally cannot harm any actual farmer. It will prevent certain bureaucrats and politicians from receiving bribes from the buyers of produce and as a result will likely increase what the farmers receive by the amount of the bribe paid. They can quite literally only get MORE for produce than they get now, the bill obligates the government to guarantee this.

imtringued 6y ago
I don't think a single HN submission does this topic justice but the fact that there are so many small farmers to begin with is strange. It's highly inefficient. It would be better if they get a city job and let a big agriculture company take over. This would increase incomes on both sides.
- pkd 6y ago
  Having many small players is not by itself inefficient. The inefficiencies come from lack of modernisation which is (in large part) a direct result of the stasis induced by the kind of government meddling that these farm bills are trying to reform.
- selimthegrim 6y ago
  It’s a status thing. If you are Jat Sikh you own land or work in military, otherwise unless you have business forget about a rishta
  - sbmthakur 6y ago
    That could explain why protests have large scale support in areas dominated by Sikhs and Jats.
alex_smart 6y ago
To add to this, most of the farmer organizations protesting these reforms had themselves been asking for them for years. Just one example: https://twitter.com/BKU_KisanUnion/status/1101674010666913792 https://twitter.com/BKU_KisanUnion/status/110167401066691379...
sifar 6y ago
>> The bill literally cannot harm any actual farmer. That is a very bold claim. How would one prove it.
srean 6y ago
> It was debated for a while, and anyone could have read it during that period if they chose to. You are playing semantic games here. Please post the records of Rajya Sabha discussions and the Lok Sabha discussions (these are the houses of parliament in India). Then lets compare that with the process and volume of discussion of other laws that were passed (barring abrogation of article 370, demonetization, CAA/NRC were more or less the same methods of sneaking in a law were applied)

yinyang_in 6y ago

This is second comment of mine in this thread, not a troll but normal human who wants to see what people see up here and what I'm missing. Can you help me point out which laws passed have MSP mentioned. I actually read all three laws but couldn't find mentioned of MSP or MSP alternation. Just want to know is your opinion based on newspaper or news channel or you actually did some research on it. No offense just want to understand.