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>I am not willing to root Android. Why is that? I'm not being snarky, I just don't understand why. The difference between a rooted and non-rooted android is

>I am not willing to root Android. Why is that? I'm not being snarky, I just don't understand why. The difference between a rooted and non-rooted android is like the being in the wheel group or sudoers file on unix/linux and not being in them. Personally, I like to have full control of my own property. What reason do you have for not wanting that?

Dylan16807 6y ago
In theory it's nice, in practice are there phones that you can root without leaving the bootloader in a vulnerable state? And it looks like the future is a situation where it's impossible to prevent software from detecting unlocks and refusing to run.
- nobody9999 6y ago
  >In theory it's nice, in practice are there phones that you can root without leaving the bootloader in a vulnerable state? I've always just unlocked the bootloader, then installed TWRP[0] (or similar) and then re-locked the bootloader. Once a reasonable recovery partition is in place, you don't need keep the bootloader unlocked. [0] https://twrp.me/ https://twrp.me/
  - Dylan16807 6y ago
    And then how do you actually do the rooting in a way that doesn't make your phone fail to boot? What model of phone?
    - nobody9999 6y ago
      >And then how do you actually do the rooting in a way that doesn't make your phone fail to boot? What model of phone? That's dependent on which phone you have and what software you have on that phone. Here's a few places to start: https://html.duckduckgo.com/html?q=root%20android%20phone https://html.duckduckgo.com/html?q=root%20android%20phone
    - nobody9999 6y ago
      I'd add that there's a wealth of information (and not just about rooting/unlocking bootloaders) about Android tools, software, development and phone capabilities here: https://www.xda-developers.com/ https://www.xda-developers.com/
      - Dylan16807 6y ago
        I am... aware. For a general search on this topic I tend to get results about oneplus, for example, that say that relocking breaks it. And samsung just won't unlock US models. And xiaomi factory resets the phone when relocking. Searching for relock root android gives very unhelpful results in general. I did learn there's one specific model of motorola where the "lock" just doesn't work, and that's amusing but not very useful. So I meant your phone specifically. Not just rooting, but rooting with a currently-locked bootloader. Please tell me a little bit about an example where this actually works. And hopefully passes safetynet, and will keep passing safetynet with hardware attestation.
        nobody9999 6y ago
        My phone? An HTC OneMax (t6vzw). I unlocked my bootloader (cf. https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/guide-s-off-root-your-htc-one-max.2550559/ https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/guide-s-off-root-your-htc...), installed TWRP[0] and then re-locked my bootloader. I then variously installed different custom roms (LineageOS, NuSense, ResurrectionRemix) and in between re-flashed the stock rom. I used SuperSU and AddonSU to root the installed images. Magisk is also a popular rooting tool (AIUI, the MagiskHide component blocks Google Play from identifying the device as rooted as well). Once I installed TWRP, I was able to do all of those things with a locked bootloader and had zero problems running any Android application. I'd note that LineageOS[1] supports hundreds of different phones. Any reasonably tech savvy person can do this fairly easily and a non-tech savvy person can do so with a modicum of effort. If you're actually interested, I'll happily sell you my services to do this on your phone. And I promise you that I will charge you an outrageously large amount for those services. It's definitely not worth it, but I'd be happy to take your money. [0] https://twrp.me/ https://twrp.me/ [1] https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/ https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/

Dylan16807 6y ago

In theory it's nice, in practice are there phones that you can root without leaving the bootloader in a vulnerable state? And it looks like the future is a situation where it's impossible to prevent software from detecting unlocks and refusing to run.

nobody9999 6y ago
>In theory it's nice, in practice are there phones that you can root without leaving the bootloader in a vulnerable state? I've always just unlocked the bootloader, then installed TWRP[0] (or similar) and then re-locked the bootloader. Once a reasonable recovery partition is in place, you don't need keep the bootloader unlocked. [0] https://twrp.me/ https://twrp.me/
- Dylan16807 6y ago
  And then how do you actually do the rooting in a way that doesn't make your phone fail to boot? What model of phone?
  - nobody9999 6y ago
    >And then how do you actually do the rooting in a way that doesn't make your phone fail to boot? What model of phone? That's dependent on which phone you have and what software you have on that phone. Here's a few places to start: https://html.duckduckgo.com/html?q=root%20android%20phone https://html.duckduckgo.com/html?q=root%20android%20phone
  - nobody9999 6y ago
    I'd add that there's a wealth of information (and not just about rooting/unlocking bootloaders) about Android tools, software, development and phone capabilities here: https://www.xda-developers.com/ https://www.xda-developers.com/
    - Dylan16807 6y ago
      I am... aware. For a general search on this topic I tend to get results about oneplus, for example, that say that relocking breaks it. And samsung just won't unlock US models. And xiaomi factory resets the phone when relocking. Searching for relock root android gives very unhelpful results in general. I did learn there's one specific model of motorola where the "lock" just doesn't work, and that's amusing but not very useful. So I meant your phone specifically. Not just rooting, but rooting with a currently-locked bootloader. Please tell me a little bit about an example where this actually works. And hopefully passes safetynet, and will keep passing safetynet with hardware attestation.
      - nobody9999 6y ago
        My phone? An HTC OneMax (t6vzw). I unlocked my bootloader (cf. https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/guide-s-off-root-your-htc-one-max.2550559/ https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/guide-s-off-root-your-htc...), installed TWRP[0] and then re-locked my bootloader. I then variously installed different custom roms (LineageOS, NuSense, ResurrectionRemix) and in between re-flashed the stock rom. I used SuperSU and AddonSU to root the installed images. Magisk is also a popular rooting tool (AIUI, the MagiskHide component blocks Google Play from identifying the device as rooted as well). Once I installed TWRP, I was able to do all of those things with a locked bootloader and had zero problems running any Android application. I'd note that LineageOS[1] supports hundreds of different phones. Any reasonably tech savvy person can do this fairly easily and a non-tech savvy person can do so with a modicum of effort. If you're actually interested, I'll happily sell you my services to do this on your phone. And I promise you that I will charge you an outrageously large amount for those services. It's definitely not worth it, but I'd be happy to take your money. [0] https://twrp.me/ https://twrp.me/ [1] https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/ https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/