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Stop using apps whenever you can. Use your browser.

lawl 6y ago
Which one? The one also made by Google, the one paid for by Google, ones of those based on the one made by Google, or the one made by the other smartphone OS owner with a walled garden?
- krastanov 6y ago
  I will bite: Firefox, the one that cares about privacy and open standards, even if it has a lot of income coming from a search bar deal with Google.
  - GekkePrutser 6y ago
    I think he covered that by 'the one paid for by Google' as the main income for Mozilla is the default search engine deal. But I agree, FF is the best
  - will_pseudonym 6y ago
    ...and doesn't care about deplatforming. "We need more than deplatforming" https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2021/01/08/we-need-more-than-deplatforming/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2021/01/08/we-need-more-than-d...
    - approxim8ion 6y ago
      Don't pretend like you're patronizing them. You're using a free browser. There's nothing they've done or can do to affect your experience within the browser, and it still remains an open browser. There's no moral hangups here beyond the ones you imagine for yourself.
      - will_pseudonym 6y ago
        If I'm not patronizing them, who is? Why would a browser want to get into the censorship business?
        approxim8ion 6y ago
        Google is, and people purchasing their other products are. You and I are at best enjoying the fruits of their labour. >Why would a browser want to get into the censorship business? Is having an opinion getting into a business now? It was a pretty bad article and I don't care for it, but please explain how they're "getting into the censorship business".
    - Dylan16807 6y ago
      That post sounds quite skeptical of the way the deplatforming was handled, and the power of sites to arbitrarily deplatform. Can you be more specific about your actual objection?
    - prohobo 6y ago
      The title of the article is bad, but the actual suggestions for action against extremism are quite good. We do need research to fix social media, and we do need transparency. Firefox is generally good; they have some identity politics, but it hasn't taken over their ethos.
- swiley 6y ago
  Here's a short list of some browser engines that are not based on google's or paid for by google: Webkit: [1] It's a thousand times easier to compile and was the original base for chromium Servo: [2] This is much more recent, I haven't looked lately (until today) but it looks to be making rapid forward progress Elinks: [3] and friends, these are more capable than you'd think (hackernews works, even if you don't build it with javascript enabled.) Also it's surprisingly easy to write your own engine, it's just keeping up with some of the more political stupidity/abuse is hard. [3] http://elinks.or.cz/ http://elinks.or.cz/ [2] https://servo.org/ https://servo.org/ [1] https://webkit.org/ https://webkit.org/
  - danielscrubs 6y ago
    “Surprisingly easy to wrote your own engine” Could you explain that part to me because because I’d guess at at least 150 man-years to get a PoC. Servo was started at 2012 and I think it had full time employees so it’s at least 8 man years to get to that state (I’d guess it was a lot of people in the team, but as a minimum).
johnisgood 6y ago
I would say the exact opposite. Do not use your browser, use a native application whenever you can.
flipcoder 6y ago
It's only a matter of time until they start banning browsers for not blocking certain websites. It's the exact same logic.
canofbars 6y ago
The browser can not do push notifications when the device is locked. Which is kind of a core feature for IM.

lawl 6y ago

Which one? The one also made by Google, the one paid for by Google, ones of those based on the one made by Google, or the one made by the other smartphone OS owner with a walled garden?

krastanov 6y ago
I will bite: Firefox, the one that cares about privacy and open standards, even if it has a lot of income coming from a search bar deal with Google.
- GekkePrutser 6y ago
  I think he covered that by 'the one paid for by Google' as the main income for Mozilla is the default search engine deal. But I agree, FF is the best
- will_pseudonym 6y ago
  ...and doesn't care about deplatforming. "We need more than deplatforming" https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2021/01/08/we-need-more-than-deplatforming/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2021/01/08/we-need-more-than-d...
  - approxim8ion 6y ago
    Don't pretend like you're patronizing them. You're using a free browser. There's nothing they've done or can do to affect your experience within the browser, and it still remains an open browser. There's no moral hangups here beyond the ones you imagine for yourself.
    - will_pseudonym 6y ago
      If I'm not patronizing them, who is? Why would a browser want to get into the censorship business?
      - approxim8ion 6y ago
        Google is, and people purchasing their other products are. You and I are at best enjoying the fruits of their labour. >Why would a browser want to get into the censorship business? Is having an opinion getting into a business now? It was a pretty bad article and I don't care for it, but please explain how they're "getting into the censorship business".
  - Dylan16807 6y ago
    That post sounds quite skeptical of the way the deplatforming was handled, and the power of sites to arbitrarily deplatform. Can you be more specific about your actual objection?
  - prohobo 6y ago
    The title of the article is bad, but the actual suggestions for action against extremism are quite good. We do need research to fix social media, and we do need transparency. Firefox is generally good; they have some identity politics, but it hasn't taken over their ethos.
swiley 6y ago
Here's a short list of some browser engines that are not based on google's or paid for by google: Webkit: [1] It's a thousand times easier to compile and was the original base for chromium Servo: [2] This is much more recent, I haven't looked lately (until today) but it looks to be making rapid forward progress Elinks: [3] and friends, these are more capable than you'd think (hackernews works, even if you don't build it with javascript enabled.) Also it's surprisingly easy to write your own engine, it's just keeping up with some of the more political stupidity/abuse is hard. [3] http://elinks.or.cz/ http://elinks.or.cz/ [2] https://servo.org/ https://servo.org/ [1] https://webkit.org/ https://webkit.org/
- danielscrubs 6y ago
  “Surprisingly easy to wrote your own engine” Could you explain that part to me because because I’d guess at at least 150 man-years to get a PoC. Servo was started at 2012 and I think it had full time employees so it’s at least 8 man years to get to that state (I’d guess it was a lot of people in the team, but as a minimum).

johnisgood 6y ago

I would say the exact opposite. Do not use your browser, use a native application whenever you can.

flipcoder 6y ago

It's only a matter of time until they start banning browsers for not blocking certain websites. It's the exact same logic.

canofbars 6y ago

The browser can not do push notifications when the device is locked. Which is kind of a core feature for IM.