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> It isn’t possible to protect the vulnerable while having rampant covid in the young and healthy, society doesn’t work like that. Then why do the numbers keep

> It isn’t possible to protect the vulnerable while having rampant covid in the young and healthy, society doesn’t work like that. Then why do the numbers keep going up despite locking down everyone? Why didn't governments institute a policy that keeps people away from those in vulnerable groups with a £1000 fine for breaches? Mandated masks etc. That would have been just as manageable. Lockdowns do not work, the figures clearly show that yet people still mandate for more lockdowns? I don't get it. > and despite the huge effort, covid still escapes into the community every so often. yes, but who is dying from it? It's the old and vulnerable, not the young and non-vulnerable: the vast majority of people will not die from this! The cure is worse than the disease.

lostlogin 6y ago
> Lockdowns do not work, the figures clearly show that yet people still mandate for more lockdowns? What figures show that lockdown doesn’t work? I’m in New Zealand. We had community covid multiple times and have eradicated it (with lockdowns initially). Keep in mind that our initial lockdown was very strict, particularly compared to UK style lockdowns. In the UK the cases are falling fast, why do you say otherwise? There are less new cases each day. No one is dying from covid here and hasn’t for a long time, touch wood, hopefully that continues. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
mewse 6y ago
> Lockdowns do not work Hi, Victoria, Australia here. Today, our state is at 24 days of zero community transmission of covid, managed largely via a small lockdown after a small outbreak from interstate. Before that small outbreak, we were up to 80-ish days of zero community transmission of covid, after a much much larger outbreak which was brought under control by a robust lockdown which began in March and continued into December. Lockdowns work, if people obey them. And we’re proof of that.
- jtxxwl2 6y ago
  Of course they work if people obey them. That's not the point.
- timr 6y ago
  > Today, our state is at 24 days of zero community transmission of covid, managed largely via a small lockdown after a small outbreak from interstate. Before that small outbreak, we were up to 80-ish days of zero community transmission of covid, after a much much larger outbreak which was brought under control by a robust lockdown which began in March and continued into December. Lockdowns work, if people obey them. And we’re proof of that. So let's re-phrase: you had one of the longest lockdowns in the world (110 days), spanning the fall, winter and spring...and then it came back in the summer, and you had to do it again. And you're in an isolated island nation with almost no international travel. Your story does not encourage me about the feasibility of the strategy you advocate -- it underscores how tenuous the situation actually is.
  - lostlogin 6y ago
    People rail against lockdowns and claim eradication isn’t possible for various reasons, yet when shown examples of where it has worked and the freedoms it has allowed somehow that is also not an option. If everyone did it, we would have a solution. What Victoria achieved looked an impossible task for a while there, and shows that a severe outbreak can be corrected. That’s an achievement that can’t be underestimated. Why anyone in Australia or NZ would want to travel internationally for anything other than absolutely essential travel is baffling to me - outside of travel, we have achieved normality. Rampant covid and freedom of movement is not the freedom I want.
    - timr 6y ago
      > If everyone did it, we would have a solution. > Why anyone in Australia or NZ would want to travel internationally for anything other than absolutely essential travel is baffling to me "If it wasn't for other people, my plan would be perfect!"
      - lostlogin 6y ago
        > If it wasn't for other people, my plan would be perfect! I laughed. The plan is good, it belongs to Dr Ashley Bloomfield and The Ministry of Health here in NZ. I was using ‘we’ in a global sense, but unfortunately Bloomfield has no jurisdiction out there.

lostlogin 6y ago

> Lockdowns do not work, the figures clearly show that yet people still mandate for more lockdowns? What figures show that lockdown doesn’t work? I’m in New Zealand. We had community covid multiple times and have eradicated it (with lockdowns initially). Keep in mind that our initial lockdown was very strict, particularly compared to UK style lockdowns. In the UK the cases are falling fast, why do you say otherwise? There are less new cases each day. No one is dying from covid here and hasn’t for a long time, touch wood, hopefully that continues. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

mewse 6y ago

> Lockdowns do not work Hi, Victoria, Australia here. Today, our state is at 24 days of zero community transmission of covid, managed largely via a small lockdown after a small outbreak from interstate. Before that small outbreak, we were up to 80-ish days of zero community transmission of covid, after a much much larger outbreak which was brought under control by a robust lockdown which began in March and continued into December. Lockdowns work, if people obey them. And we’re proof of that.

jtxxwl2 6y ago
Of course they work if people obey them. That's not the point.
timr 6y ago
> Today, our state is at 24 days of zero community transmission of covid, managed largely via a small lockdown after a small outbreak from interstate. Before that small outbreak, we were up to 80-ish days of zero community transmission of covid, after a much much larger outbreak which was brought under control by a robust lockdown which began in March and continued into December. Lockdowns work, if people obey them. And we’re proof of that. So let's re-phrase: you had one of the longest lockdowns in the world (110 days), spanning the fall, winter and spring...and then it came back in the summer, and you had to do it again. And you're in an isolated island nation with almost no international travel. Your story does not encourage me about the feasibility of the strategy you advocate -- it underscores how tenuous the situation actually is.
- lostlogin 6y ago
  People rail against lockdowns and claim eradication isn’t possible for various reasons, yet when shown examples of where it has worked and the freedoms it has allowed somehow that is also not an option. If everyone did it, we would have a solution. What Victoria achieved looked an impossible task for a while there, and shows that a severe outbreak can be corrected. That’s an achievement that can’t be underestimated. Why anyone in Australia or NZ would want to travel internationally for anything other than absolutely essential travel is baffling to me - outside of travel, we have achieved normality. Rampant covid and freedom of movement is not the freedom I want.
  - timr 6y ago
    > If everyone did it, we would have a solution. > Why anyone in Australia or NZ would want to travel internationally for anything other than absolutely essential travel is baffling to me "If it wasn't for other people, my plan would be perfect!"
    - lostlogin 6y ago
      > If it wasn't for other people, my plan would be perfect! I laughed. The plan is good, it belongs to Dr Ashley Bloomfield and The Ministry of Health here in NZ. I was using ‘we’ in a global sense, but unfortunately Bloomfield has no jurisdiction out there.