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I didn't advocate for "do nothing". Not at all. I live in the UK and we have the NHS so their job is to look after people when they get sick (and, to a certain

I didn't advocate for "do nothing". Not at all. I live in the UK and we have the NHS so their job is to look after people when they get sick (and, to a certain extent, use preventative measure like education where appropriate). But the UK governments largest spend is the NHS. We pay a fortune every year for it. So if they can't do their job then heads should roll among politicians and NHS brass. My argument is that the death rate does not justify the measures that are being taken: by all means protect the vulnerable (my parents are in that class) but the rest of us have been locked down when the stats absolutely do not justify it. I haven't even mentioned the economic cataclysm we are facing... that's another story!

lostlogin 6y ago
It isn’t possible to protect the vulnerable while having rampant covid in the young and healthy, society doesn’t work like that. Here in New Zealand we isolate new arrivals in hotels and they are strictly monitored. There are only a few thousand people there at any given time, and despite the huge effort, covid still escapes into the community every so often.
- _Understated_ 6y ago
  > It isn’t possible to protect the vulnerable while having rampant covid in the young and healthy, society doesn’t work like that. Then why do the numbers keep going up despite locking down everyone? Why didn't governments institute a policy that keeps people away from those in vulnerable groups with a £1000 fine for breaches? Mandated masks etc. That would have been just as manageable. Lockdowns do not work, the figures clearly show that yet people still mandate for more lockdowns? I don't get it. > and despite the huge effort, covid still escapes into the community every so often. yes, but who is dying from it? It's the old and vulnerable, not the young and non-vulnerable: the vast majority of people will not die from this! The cure is worse than the disease.
  - lostlogin 6y ago
    > Lockdowns do not work, the figures clearly show that yet people still mandate for more lockdowns? What figures show that lockdown doesn’t work? I’m in New Zealand. We had community covid multiple times and have eradicated it (with lockdowns initially). Keep in mind that our initial lockdown was very strict, particularly compared to UK style lockdowns. In the UK the cases are falling fast, why do you say otherwise? There are less new cases each day. No one is dying from covid here and hasn’t for a long time, touch wood, hopefully that continues. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
  - mewse 6y ago
    > Lockdowns do not work Hi, Victoria, Australia here. Today, our state is at 24 days of zero community transmission of covid, managed largely via a small lockdown after a small outbreak from interstate. Before that small outbreak, we were up to 80-ish days of zero community transmission of covid, after a much much larger outbreak which was brought under control by a robust lockdown which began in March and continued into December. Lockdowns work, if people obey them. And we’re proof of that.
    - jtxxwl2 6y ago
      Of course they work if people obey them. That's not the point.
    - timr 6y ago
      > Today, our state is at 24 days of zero community transmission of covid, managed largely via a small lockdown after a small outbreak from interstate. Before that small outbreak, we were up to 80-ish days of zero community transmission of covid, after a much much larger outbreak which was brought under control by a robust lockdown which began in March and continued into December. Lockdowns work, if people obey them. And we’re proof of that. So let's re-phrase: you had one of the longest lockdowns in the world (110 days), spanning the fall, winter and spring...and then it came back in the summer, and you had to do it again. And you're in an isolated island nation with almost no international travel. Your story does not encourage me about the feasibility of the strategy you advocate -- it underscores how tenuous the situation actually is.
      - lostlogin 6y ago
        People rail against lockdowns and claim eradication isn’t possible for various reasons, yet when shown examples of where it has worked and the freedoms it has allowed somehow that is also not an option. If everyone did it, we would have a solution. What Victoria achieved looked an impossible task for a while there, and shows that a severe outbreak can be corrected. That’s an achievement that can’t be underestimated. Why anyone in Australia or NZ would want to travel internationally for anything other than absolutely essential travel is baffling to me - outside of travel, we have achieved normality. Rampant covid and freedom of movement is not the freedom I want.

lostlogin 6y ago

It isn’t possible to protect the vulnerable while having rampant covid in the young and healthy, society doesn’t work like that. Here in New Zealand we isolate new arrivals in hotels and they are strictly monitored. There are only a few thousand people there at any given time, and despite the huge effort, covid still escapes into the community every so often.

_Understated_ 6y ago
> It isn’t possible to protect the vulnerable while having rampant covid in the young and healthy, society doesn’t work like that. Then why do the numbers keep going up despite locking down everyone? Why didn't governments institute a policy that keeps people away from those in vulnerable groups with a £1000 fine for breaches? Mandated masks etc. That would have been just as manageable. Lockdowns do not work, the figures clearly show that yet people still mandate for more lockdowns? I don't get it. > and despite the huge effort, covid still escapes into the community every so often. yes, but who is dying from it? It's the old and vulnerable, not the young and non-vulnerable: the vast majority of people will not die from this! The cure is worse than the disease.
- lostlogin 6y ago
  > Lockdowns do not work, the figures clearly show that yet people still mandate for more lockdowns? What figures show that lockdown doesn’t work? I’m in New Zealand. We had community covid multiple times and have eradicated it (with lockdowns initially). Keep in mind that our initial lockdown was very strict, particularly compared to UK style lockdowns. In the UK the cases are falling fast, why do you say otherwise? There are less new cases each day. No one is dying from covid here and hasn’t for a long time, touch wood, hopefully that continues. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
- mewse 6y ago
  > Lockdowns do not work Hi, Victoria, Australia here. Today, our state is at 24 days of zero community transmission of covid, managed largely via a small lockdown after a small outbreak from interstate. Before that small outbreak, we were up to 80-ish days of zero community transmission of covid, after a much much larger outbreak which was brought under control by a robust lockdown which began in March and continued into December. Lockdowns work, if people obey them. And we’re proof of that.
  - jtxxwl2 6y ago
    Of course they work if people obey them. That's not the point.
  - timr 6y ago
    > Today, our state is at 24 days of zero community transmission of covid, managed largely via a small lockdown after a small outbreak from interstate. Before that small outbreak, we were up to 80-ish days of zero community transmission of covid, after a much much larger outbreak which was brought under control by a robust lockdown which began in March and continued into December. Lockdowns work, if people obey them. And we’re proof of that. So let's re-phrase: you had one of the longest lockdowns in the world (110 days), spanning the fall, winter and spring...and then it came back in the summer, and you had to do it again. And you're in an isolated island nation with almost no international travel. Your story does not encourage me about the feasibility of the strategy you advocate -- it underscores how tenuous the situation actually is.
    - lostlogin 6y ago
      People rail against lockdowns and claim eradication isn’t possible for various reasons, yet when shown examples of where it has worked and the freedoms it has allowed somehow that is also not an option. If everyone did it, we would have a solution. What Victoria achieved looked an impossible task for a while there, and shows that a severe outbreak can be corrected. That’s an achievement that can’t be underestimated. Why anyone in Australia or NZ would want to travel internationally for anything other than absolutely essential travel is baffling to me - outside of travel, we have achieved normality. Rampant covid and freedom of movement is not the freedom I want.