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It was removed in 2014! At this point, "not yet" surely must mean "we don't want it".

stretchcat 6y ago
Do-ocracy. Just because none of those devs want it enough to implement it, doesn't mean they'd turn away somebody who did. If somebody wants it bad enough, they'll do it.
- msla 6y ago
  > Do-ocracy. I love this word. I'm apparently behind the times, though: It's on Urban Dictionary and I love their example https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=do-ocracy https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=do-ocracy > “Jeez, why does Mary get to decide what everyone eats and when they work? Who put her in charge?” Older and wiser heads will say, “This is a do-ocracy. If you think you can do Mary’s job, and you want to, then get up there and do it. She’ll probably be relieved. If not, don’t be a jerk and make a big stink about it, or else she’ll stop working so hard and we won’t have anything to eat!” ... which is apparently taken from: https://communitywiki.org/wiki/DoOcracy https://communitywiki.org/wiki/DoOcracy ... which is another wiki I'll have to dive into.
emteycz 6y ago
Why not 'nobody contributed it so far'?
blhack 6y ago
Write it. As an openbsd user, I will say that bluetooth is pretty far down the list of things I care about.
- Koshkin 6y ago
  > Write it. This is getting really old. Not all users are programmers.
  - echlebek 6y ago
    People aren't just going to write things they don't have an interest in.
  - ac29 6y ago
    You could also pay someone else to write it for you. OpenBSD is a free, community based project - you cant really complain it doesnt do what you want if you arent willing to invest any time or money.
    - Koshkin 6y ago
      Makes sense. “You get what you pay for.” “Don’t look the gift horse in the mouth.” “Take it or leave it.” Sure. But the old trope still feels wrong somehow.
      - blacklight 6y ago
        Not really - in the case of Linux you pay the same price as OpenBSD but you get much more. That's because enough people decided to put enough effort to support as many use cases as possible, until the OS got enough momentum to be hard to ignore. The BSD approach has instead always been "you want it? then code it yourself and open a merge request". That sounds legitimate, but that's the real reason why OpenBSD has never taken off outside of its small niche of geeks - despite being an amazingly designed OS under the hood. And I know many of those geeks who are quite proud of being part of a tiny niche that scuffs at Bluetooth, USB 3.0, QHD displays or anything that a "normal user" might want - had it been for them a 640x480 screen with a working session of xterm would have largely sufficed. But that's also the reason why there aren't many "normal people" using their OS. At some point one should also ponder why we support and contribute to open-source projects (especially considering that we mostly do it in our spare time, that, in the case of developers, is often limited and precious). Is it because we want to make the (IT) world a better place with more free and cool products and attract more people, or is it because we like our own well-curated niche and we don't want to let anybody in?
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- busterarm 6y ago
  I'm an OpenBSD user and Bluetooth Audio is a non-problem. Creative makes little USB Audio devices that OpenBSD treats as a HID soundcard and Creative handles the Bluetooth itself. There are larger forms of this but Creative's form factor is very small. This is probably why no-one has written it yet.
  - ThinkBeat 6y ago
    Do you have a link to it?
    - busterarm 6y ago
      https://en.creative.com/p/sound-blaster/creative-bluetooth-audio-bt-w2-usb-transceiver https://en.creative.com/p/sound-blaster/creative-bluetooth-a... Thet also have a BT-W3 that's USB-C now.
      - e12e 6y ago
        For the lazy: https://en.creative.com/p/speakers/creative-bt-w3 https://en.creative.com/p/speakers/creative-bt-w3
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toast0 6y ago
There's not a lot of applications where bluetooth is essential. Personally, after several rounds of disappointment with bluetooth mice, the only thing I use bluetooth for is handsfree calling and sometimes music in cars. Even that sometimes doesn't work (my spouse's Nokia 7.2 couldn't connect to her car between July and December, because something in the Nokia firmware was broken; worked fine with my car though). So, my guess is nobody who works on OpenBSD a lot cares about bluetooth on OpenBSD, because they're not using bluetooth much, and don't see any use cases for it that would help them.

Do-ocracy. Just because none of those devs want it enough to implement it, doesn't mean they'd turn away somebody who did. If somebody wants it bad enough, they'll do it.

msla 6y ago
> Do-ocracy. I love this word. I'm apparently behind the times, though: It's on Urban Dictionary and I love their example https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=do-ocracy https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=do-ocracy > “Jeez, why does Mary get to decide what everyone eats and when they work? Who put her in charge?” Older and wiser heads will say, “This is a do-ocracy. If you think you can do Mary’s job, and you want to, then get up there and do it. She’ll probably be relieved. If not, don’t be a jerk and make a big stink about it, or else she’ll stop working so hard and we won’t have anything to eat!” ... which is apparently taken from: https://communitywiki.org/wiki/DoOcracy https://communitywiki.org/wiki/DoOcracy ... which is another wiki I'll have to dive into.

emteycz 6y ago

Why not 'nobody contributed it so far'?

blhack 6y ago

Write it. As an openbsd user, I will say that bluetooth is pretty far down the list of things I care about.

Koshkin 6y ago
> Write it. This is getting really old. Not all users are programmers.
- echlebek 6y ago
  People aren't just going to write things they don't have an interest in.
- ac29 6y ago
  You could also pay someone else to write it for you. OpenBSD is a free, community based project - you cant really complain it doesnt do what you want if you arent willing to invest any time or money.
  - Koshkin 6y ago
    Makes sense. “You get what you pay for.” “Don’t look the gift horse in the mouth.” “Take it or leave it.” Sure. But the old trope still feels wrong somehow.
    - blacklight 6y ago
      Not really - in the case of Linux you pay the same price as OpenBSD but you get much more. That's because enough people decided to put enough effort to support as many use cases as possible, until the OS got enough momentum to be hard to ignore. The BSD approach has instead always been "you want it? then code it yourself and open a merge request". That sounds legitimate, but that's the real reason why OpenBSD has never taken off outside of its small niche of geeks - despite being an amazingly designed OS under the hood. And I know many of those geeks who are quite proud of being part of a tiny niche that scuffs at Bluetooth, USB 3.0, QHD displays or anything that a "normal user" might want - had it been for them a 640x480 screen with a working session of xterm would have largely sufficed. But that's also the reason why there aren't many "normal people" using their OS. At some point one should also ponder why we support and contribute to open-source projects (especially considering that we mostly do it in our spare time, that, in the case of developers, is often limited and precious). Is it because we want to make the (IT) world a better place with more free and cool products and attract more people, or is it because we like our own well-curated niche and we don't want to let anybody in?
      - 6y ago
busterarm 6y ago
I'm an OpenBSD user and Bluetooth Audio is a non-problem. Creative makes little USB Audio devices that OpenBSD treats as a HID soundcard and Creative handles the Bluetooth itself. There are larger forms of this but Creative's form factor is very small. This is probably why no-one has written it yet.
- ThinkBeat 6y ago
  Do you have a link to it?
  - busterarm 6y ago
    https://en.creative.com/p/sound-blaster/creative-bluetooth-audio-bt-w2-usb-transceiver https://en.creative.com/p/sound-blaster/creative-bluetooth-a... Thet also have a BT-W3 that's USB-C now.
    - e12e 6y ago
      For the lazy: https://en.creative.com/p/speakers/creative-bt-w3 https://en.creative.com/p/speakers/creative-bt-w3

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toast0 6y ago

There's not a lot of applications where bluetooth is essential. Personally, after several rounds of disappointment with bluetooth mice, the only thing I use bluetooth for is handsfree calling and sometimes music in cars. Even that sometimes doesn't work (my spouse's Nokia 7.2 couldn't connect to her car between July and December, because something in the Nokia firmware was broken; worked fine with my car though). So, my guess is nobody who works on OpenBSD a lot cares about bluetooth on OpenBSD, because they're not using bluetooth much, and don't see any use cases for it that would help them.