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Oh it's not a secret, 4chan is and has been for decades actually proactive (or at least no supoena needed) with sharing data with LEO and has strong (albeit US

Oh it's not a secret, 4chan is and has been for decades actually proactive (or at least no supoena needed) with sharing data with LEO and has strong (albeit US free speech levels of) moderation across all of the site. If a UK citizen were to post as offensively as a US citizen they would and have been arrested. The site doesn't give protection. I steer clear of it, but wonder if with more EU like moderation a better site could be formed.

vorpalhex 6y ago
The advice has always been and continues to be to use services such as Tor (and a properly secured computing environment) to access the less mainstream areas of the internet.
- Blikkentrekker 6y ago
  4chan rejects posting from Tor, but accepts browsing from it. There are other anonymity networks that it doesn't filters out as well. But in principle, it does not allow posting from anonymity networks. 4chan is also quite mainstream and one of the largest websites on the internet, certainly larger than Hacker News. Similar Web ranks it around 800 world wide, but it's probably even higher, given that it's split into two domains that remain separate for advertisement reasons.
  - swebs 6y ago
    You can post from a VPN or Tor if you have a pass. https://www.4channel.org/pass https://www.4channel.org/pass
    - Blikkentrekker 6y ago
      One can't. — this myth is quite common. Passes can be used to get exemptions from i.p. address range blocks, they do not permit posting from Tor. That page is probably very deliberately not super clear about that, but it you will find that buying a pass will not allow one to post from Tor.
cbozeman 6y ago
> but wonder if with more EU like moderation a better site could be formed. > If a UK citizen were to post as offensively as a US citizen they would and have been arrested. The idea of posting something and being arrested disgusts me. The bar around the world for such an action should be just as high as it is in America. If I post that I'm going to come and kill you, thinkingemote, at 10:17 a.m. at your place of work located at <insert address here>, then by all means I deserve to be arrested. I've made a credible threat with credible information, verified by the fact I know your name and your workplace address. However, saying something "mean" to you, or "misgendering" you, or even calling you a racial slur, should never be enough to arrest someone. It reminds me of one of the few (maybe only...) great lines from Ghostbusters 2: "Being miserable and treating other people like dirt is every New Yorker's God-given right!" So it should be online as well. If you don't like it, you can absent yourself from the platform(s), and in almost every case, if you don't want to do that, you can block the other person.
- h_anna_h 6y ago
  > The idea of posting something and being arrested disgusts me. The bar around the world for such an action should be just as high as it is in America US citizens can be arrested for posting material such as child pornography too.
  - issamehh 6y ago
    Do you really not see the difference between child pornography and what the above comment said? In that case the porn is like the specific death threat. A crime on its own. Actual speech is different
    - h_anna_h 6y ago
      You post something and you end up being arrested, exactly what causes disgust to said commenter. > A crime on its own With that logic in the UK it is a crime to do what the posters end up being arrested for so it's ok.

vorpalhex 6y ago

The advice has always been and continues to be to use services such as Tor (and a properly secured computing environment) to access the less mainstream areas of the internet.

Blikkentrekker 6y ago
4chan rejects posting from Tor, but accepts browsing from it. There are other anonymity networks that it doesn't filters out as well. But in principle, it does not allow posting from anonymity networks. 4chan is also quite mainstream and one of the largest websites on the internet, certainly larger than Hacker News. Similar Web ranks it around 800 world wide, but it's probably even higher, given that it's split into two domains that remain separate for advertisement reasons.
- swebs 6y ago
  You can post from a VPN or Tor if you have a pass. https://www.4channel.org/pass https://www.4channel.org/pass
  - Blikkentrekker 6y ago
    One can't. — this myth is quite common. Passes can be used to get exemptions from i.p. address range blocks, they do not permit posting from Tor. That page is probably very deliberately not super clear about that, but it you will find that buying a pass will not allow one to post from Tor.

cbozeman 6y ago

> but wonder if with more EU like moderation a better site could be formed. > If a UK citizen were to post as offensively as a US citizen they would and have been arrested. The idea of posting something and being arrested disgusts me. The bar around the world for such an action should be just as high as it is in America. If I post that I'm going to come and kill you, thinkingemote, at 10:17 a.m. at your place of work located at <insert address here>, then by all means I deserve to be arrested. I've made a credible threat with credible information, verified by the fact I know your name and your workplace address. However, saying something "mean" to you, or "misgendering" you, or even calling you a racial slur, should never be enough to arrest someone. It reminds me of one of the few (maybe only...) great lines from Ghostbusters 2: "Being miserable and treating other people like dirt is every New Yorker's God-given right!" So it should be online as well. If you don't like it, you can absent yourself from the platform(s), and in almost every case, if you don't want to do that, you can block the other person.

h_anna_h 6y ago
> The idea of posting something and being arrested disgusts me. The bar around the world for such an action should be just as high as it is in America US citizens can be arrested for posting material such as child pornography too.
- issamehh 6y ago
  Do you really not see the difference between child pornography and what the above comment said? In that case the porn is like the specific death threat. A crime on its own. Actual speech is different
  - h_anna_h 6y ago
    You post something and you end up being arrested, exactly what causes disgust to said commenter. > A crime on its own With that logic in the UK it is a crime to do what the posters end up being arrested for so it's ok.