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Apparently 4chan floods with increase in traffic after such waves. 8chan, which was far better, went under for it though.

TechBro8615 6y ago
The fact that 4Chan itself has not been the target of deplatforming efforts is confusing to me. If I were to put my tinfoil hat on for a bit, I might speculate that it’s a honeypot that shares data with the feds.
- medicineman 6y ago
  always has been
- Blikkentrekker 6y ago
  4chan hosts it's own server: — how could it? Cloudflare did drop 8chan for political pressure. Both also have a very undeserved reputation. I saw news reports on 8chan as if it were something similar to Stormfront. The front page was mostly video game and pornography and one had to search very deep into it's hidden circles to find racial supremacy content.
  - baud147258 6y ago
    Even if 4chan host their servers, if they're not in someone's basement, they'd be in colocation, which can then be targeted, since I don't think 4chan own the full datacenter.
    - swebs 6y ago
      Don't know about now, but it was hosted in a basement as of 2012. https://i.warosu.org/data/g/img/0689/86/1545245294211.jpg https://i.warosu.org/data/g/img/0689/86/1545245294211.jpg
  - dmurray 6y ago
    > 4chan hosts it's own server: — how could it? ISPs could just drop their customers' traffic to that server. This happens all the time and has happened to 4chan before. Or they could go further and refuse to peer with any ISP that doesn't block 4chan, or lobby to have the government compel ISPs to block it, likely on think-of-the-children or think-of-the-terrorism grounds. Self hosting definitely isn't some magic way of preventing all censorship.
    - scythe 6y ago
      A coordinated effort by ISPs to ban a website will absolutely invite regulatory interest. If they can ban 4chan, why can't we make them ban [...]?
      - h_anna_h 6y ago
        It already happens in the UK using the IWF list. Wikipedia was blocked for a while there due to it.
    - ntsplnkv2 6y ago
      > Self hosting definitely isn't some magic way of preventing all censorship. There is no perfect pill. People who self host have higher protections than those that don't.
    - vbezhenar 6y ago
      Just use VPN or Tor. My country blocks lots of websites, so VPN is routine thing for me. I recommend wireguard.
      - marvin 6y ago
        That's a decent workaround if you're technical and stubborn, but there needs to be a solution for this that's available for everyone with just a few clicks.
      - Dma54rhs 6y ago
        You won't be able to post on 4chan and probably many other anonymous communities while on vpn unless a friend of your sets it up from a residential ip. With TOR you have to hire someone to fill captchas just to read things.
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - h_anna_h 6y ago
    4chan uses cloudflare
  - swebs 6y ago
    Which is doubly ironic since, aside from gamergate, 8chan was mostly famous for hosting /leftypol/.
- thinkingemote 6y ago
  Oh it's not a secret, 4chan is and has been for decades actually proactive (or at least no supoena needed) with sharing data with LEO and has strong (albeit US free speech levels of) moderation across all of the site. If a UK citizen were to post as offensively as a US citizen they would and have been arrested. The site doesn't give protection. I steer clear of it, but wonder if with more EU like moderation a better site could be formed.
  - vorpalhex 6y ago
    The advice has always been and continues to be to use services such as Tor (and a properly secured computing environment) to access the less mainstream areas of the internet.
    - Blikkentrekker 6y ago
      4chan rejects posting from Tor, but accepts browsing from it. There are other anonymity networks that it doesn't filters out as well. But in principle, it does not allow posting from anonymity networks. 4chan is also quite mainstream and one of the largest websites on the internet, certainly larger than Hacker News. Similar Web ranks it around 800 world wide, but it's probably even higher, given that it's split into two domains that remain separate for advertisement reasons.
      - swebs 6y ago
        You can post from a VPN or Tor if you have a pass. https://www.4channel.org/pass https://www.4channel.org/pass
        Blikkentrekker 6y ago
        One can't. — this myth is quite common. Passes can be used to get exemptions from i.p. address range blocks, they do not permit posting from Tor. That page is probably very deliberately not super clear about that, but it you will find that buying a pass will not allow one to post from Tor.
- ehsankia 6y ago
  The same way ThePirateBay and Sci-Hub haven't gotten deplatform even while having far more powerful forces after them. It's because the people hosting it aren't incompetent, and unlike what these people crying foul lately will have you believe, censorship on the internet isn't really a thing. You may not get a free megaphone like Twitter, but as long as you know what you're doing, you can have a voice online just fine.
- trianglem 6y ago
  4chan has been responsible for turning so many kids into racists using humor. I remember a whole period in like 2010 when there was a — before 4chan I used to see black people as “black person in a suit”, now I see black people as “terribly racist caricature”. I would hate to see it go but boy is that place the true breeding ground for hate.
  - SXX 6y ago
    No offence here, but if 4chan making racism "fun" was sufficient to make some kid hate real people including their neighbours or friends then it's was never a problem with the platform. It's just indication of larger problem in both society and / or upbringing. People who can be easily radicalized or manipulated is just indication that they wasn't educated well enough to think on their own with their brain. And in any case chan culture is far better than some actual criminals or cultists who are much better at brainwashing people. I'm not trying to justify some of chan content, but I consider that it's greater good that some people get a lesson about how easily they could be manipulated.
    - trianglem 6y ago
      Really? So you don’t think continuous, one sided propaganda can radicalize people? Subjected to enough propaganda, literally anyone will succumb to the propagated viewpoint with very few exceptions.
      - SXX 6y ago
        What I sure about is that no one force a person to have continious exposure to such propoganda on 4chan. It's not like it's some government funded website that everyone has obligation to visit due authorities requirements. Being exposed to this kind of "humor" is deliberate choice. And even 4chan is not some single entity: there are plenty of boards on other topics that nowhere as extreme and sometimes they better moderated than e.g reddit , facebook or linkedin.
        trianglem 6y ago
arsome 6y ago
8chan did a rename but is indeed still going, https://8kun.top https://8kun.top That link is now banned on Wikipedia even though...
- Blikkentrekker 6y ago
  I know, but it is a ghost town there now compared to the old 8chan.
- h_anna_h 6y ago
  Kinda funny, I thought that wikipedia was not supposed to be censored https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_censored https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_no...

TechBro8615 6y ago

The fact that 4Chan itself has not been the target of deplatforming efforts is confusing to me. If I were to put my tinfoil hat on for a bit, I might speculate that it’s a honeypot that shares data with the feds.

medicineman 6y ago
always has been
Blikkentrekker 6y ago
4chan hosts it's own server: — how could it? Cloudflare did drop 8chan for political pressure. Both also have a very undeserved reputation. I saw news reports on 8chan as if it were something similar to Stormfront. The front page was mostly video game and pornography and one had to search very deep into it's hidden circles to find racial supremacy content.
- baud147258 6y ago
  Even if 4chan host their servers, if they're not in someone's basement, they'd be in colocation, which can then be targeted, since I don't think 4chan own the full datacenter.
  - swebs 6y ago
    Don't know about now, but it was hosted in a basement as of 2012. https://i.warosu.org/data/g/img/0689/86/1545245294211.jpg https://i.warosu.org/data/g/img/0689/86/1545245294211.jpg
- dmurray 6y ago
  > 4chan hosts it's own server: — how could it? ISPs could just drop their customers' traffic to that server. This happens all the time and has happened to 4chan before. Or they could go further and refuse to peer with any ISP that doesn't block 4chan, or lobby to have the government compel ISPs to block it, likely on think-of-the-children or think-of-the-terrorism grounds. Self hosting definitely isn't some magic way of preventing all censorship.
  - scythe 6y ago
    A coordinated effort by ISPs to ban a website will absolutely invite regulatory interest. If they can ban 4chan, why can't we make them ban [...]?
    - h_anna_h 6y ago
      It already happens in the UK using the IWF list. Wikipedia was blocked for a while there due to it.
  - ntsplnkv2 6y ago
    > Self hosting definitely isn't some magic way of preventing all censorship. There is no perfect pill. People who self host have higher protections than those that don't.
  - vbezhenar 6y ago
    Just use VPN or Tor. My country blocks lots of websites, so VPN is routine thing for me. I recommend wireguard.
    - marvin 6y ago
      That's a decent workaround if you're technical and stubborn, but there needs to be a solution for this that's available for everyone with just a few clicks.
    - Dma54rhs 6y ago
      You won't be able to post on 4chan and probably many other anonymous communities while on vpn unless a friend of your sets it up from a residential ip. With TOR you have to hire someone to fill captchas just to read things.
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
- h_anna_h 6y ago
  4chan uses cloudflare
- swebs 6y ago
  Which is doubly ironic since, aside from gamergate, 8chan was mostly famous for hosting /leftypol/.
thinkingemote 6y ago
Oh it's not a secret, 4chan is and has been for decades actually proactive (or at least no supoena needed) with sharing data with LEO and has strong (albeit US free speech levels of) moderation across all of the site. If a UK citizen were to post as offensively as a US citizen they would and have been arrested. The site doesn't give protection. I steer clear of it, but wonder if with more EU like moderation a better site could be formed.
- vorpalhex 6y ago
  The advice has always been and continues to be to use services such as Tor (and a properly secured computing environment) to access the less mainstream areas of the internet.
  - Blikkentrekker 6y ago
    4chan rejects posting from Tor, but accepts browsing from it. There are other anonymity networks that it doesn't filters out as well. But in principle, it does not allow posting from anonymity networks. 4chan is also quite mainstream and one of the largest websites on the internet, certainly larger than Hacker News. Similar Web ranks it around 800 world wide, but it's probably even higher, given that it's split into two domains that remain separate for advertisement reasons.
    - swebs 6y ago
      You can post from a VPN or Tor if you have a pass. https://www.4channel.org/pass https://www.4channel.org/pass
      - Blikkentrekker 6y ago
        One can't. — this myth is quite common. Passes can be used to get exemptions from i.p. address range blocks, they do not permit posting from Tor. That page is probably very deliberately not super clear about that, but it you will find that buying a pass will not allow one to post from Tor.
ehsankia 6y ago
The same way ThePirateBay and Sci-Hub haven't gotten deplatform even while having far more powerful forces after them. It's because the people hosting it aren't incompetent, and unlike what these people crying foul lately will have you believe, censorship on the internet isn't really a thing. You may not get a free megaphone like Twitter, but as long as you know what you're doing, you can have a voice online just fine.
trianglem 6y ago
4chan has been responsible for turning so many kids into racists using humor. I remember a whole period in like 2010 when there was a — before 4chan I used to see black people as “black person in a suit”, now I see black people as “terribly racist caricature”. I would hate to see it go but boy is that place the true breeding ground for hate.
- SXX 6y ago
  No offence here, but if 4chan making racism "fun" was sufficient to make some kid hate real people including their neighbours or friends then it's was never a problem with the platform. It's just indication of larger problem in both society and / or upbringing. People who can be easily radicalized or manipulated is just indication that they wasn't educated well enough to think on their own with their brain. And in any case chan culture is far better than some actual criminals or cultists who are much better at brainwashing people. I'm not trying to justify some of chan content, but I consider that it's greater good that some people get a lesson about how easily they could be manipulated.
  - trianglem 6y ago
    Really? So you don’t think continuous, one sided propaganda can radicalize people? Subjected to enough propaganda, literally anyone will succumb to the propagated viewpoint with very few exceptions.
    - SXX 6y ago
      What I sure about is that no one force a person to have continious exposure to such propoganda on 4chan. It's not like it's some government funded website that everyone has obligation to visit due authorities requirements. Being exposed to this kind of "humor" is deliberate choice. And even 4chan is not some single entity: there are plenty of boards on other topics that nowhere as extreme and sometimes they better moderated than e.g reddit , facebook or linkedin.
      - trianglem 6y ago

arsome 6y ago

8chan did a rename but is indeed still going, https://8kun.top https://8kun.top That link is now banned on Wikipedia even though...

Blikkentrekker 6y ago
I know, but it is a ghost town there now compared to the old 8chan.
h_anna_h 6y ago
Kinda funny, I thought that wikipedia was not supposed to be censored https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_censored https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_no...