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Please name the Democrats who objected to the certification of the Electoral College votes in 2000 and 2004.

dahfizz 6y ago
Stephanie Tubbs Jones, to name one. I can't tell if you're being genuine, but this is not hard information to find: https://www.npr.org/2021/01/05/952883116/objecting-to-electoral-votes-in-congress-recalls-bitter-moments-in-history https://www.npr.org/2021/01/05/952883116/objecting-to-electo...
- greggturkington 6y ago
  - dahfizz 6y ago
    > You're comparing that to 50+ lawsuits in Pennsylvania, Nevada, Georgia, and Michigan? No, I'm answering the question "Please name the Democrats who objected to the certification of the Electoral College votes in 2000 and 2004."
- seanmcdirmid 6y ago
  She died in 2008, so the question is moot anyways.
cronix 6y ago
Here's a video from 2017 (2016 election), with at-the-time Vice President Biden presiding, and objecting to each one because they didn't have a senator backing them as required. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvc4Ht3c2dk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvc4Ht3c2dk Edit: Full Version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uiAex46pVw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uiAex46pVw
seniorThrowaway 6y ago
For 2000 at least one is Alcee L. Hastings (D-FL). I'm not going to search for the others, it is public record, because I don't think your question is genuine.
- seanmcdirmid 6y ago
  There were no objections entertained during 2000 election certification. Or at least, there was no sponsor in the senate, so no vote was taken.
  - seniorThrowaway 6y ago
    The statement was "Please name the Democrats who objected to the certification of the Electoral College votes in 2000 and 2004." I named one. Your response is irrelevant.
    - seanmcdirmid 6y ago
      But the story is titled “ Google won't donate to members of Congress who voted against election results” and the comment, assuming it was made in good faith and wasn’t just there to troll, implied equivalence between the two topics.
      - seniorThrowaway 6y ago
        I think in that case your response should have been to the original comment, not mine. I was responding to a very specific instance of specious feigned ignorance.
        seanmcdirmid 6y ago
        If someone moves the goal post in a comment and the next comment moves the goal post back, who is in the wrong?
Cthulhu_ 6y ago
2000: "a dozen members of the Congressional Black Caucus, joined by a few sympathizers", Representative Jesse L. Jackson Jr., Democrat of Illinois (https://www.nytimes.com./2001/01/07/us/over-some-objections-congress-certifies-electoral-vote.html https://www.nytimes.com./2001/01/07/us/over-some-objections-... 2004: Ohio Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones and California Sen. Barbara Boxer (https://edition.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/06/electoral.vote.1718/ https://edition.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/06/electoral.vot...)
ta1848 6y ago
Here is the full vote results. For the House and Sentate respectively. In this case yea means they voted to object to the results of the 2004 election. https://web.archive.org/web/20201217051145/https://clerk.house.gov/evs/2005/roll007.xml https://web.archive.org/web/20201217051145/https://clerk.hou... https://web.archive.org/web/20201212192739/https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00001 https://web.archive.org/web/20201212192739/https://www.senat...
scythe 6y ago
About 20 Democrats in 2000, no Senators and no vote was held: https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2001-01-07-0101070449-story.html https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2001-01-07-010107... 32 Democrats in 2004, including Barbara Boxer and 31 congresswomen: https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/2004 https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/2004 However, the objections in 2000 and 2004 were both limited and specific, a far cry from the maelstrom of kettle logic that spawned more than 50 frivolous lawsuits, and which attracted ten Senators and a majority of GOP Representatives. Were the votes counted wrong, as Barnette v. Lawrence insisted, or were the voting procedures unconstitutional, as claimed in Bognet v. Boockvar, or did Dominion Systems somehow install compromised voting machines? The latter claim is currently the subject of a defamation suit targeting one Rudy Giuliani. The argument that what happened in 2020 is anything like the few objections raised in 2000 and 2004 is dishonest and reeks of disinformation. Nobody stormed the Capitol in 2000. No politicians tried to put pressure on state officials like Brad Raffensperger to manipulate the counting process. Nobody tried to disrupt the counting process itself in 2000, whereas Republicans filed lawsuits to prevent all votes being counted in Pennsylvania. Most importantly, no Democratic politician ever insisted to their constituents that the election would be overturned, whereas Trump did.

Stephanie Tubbs Jones, to name one. I can't tell if you're being genuine, but this is not hard information to find: https://www.npr.org/2021/01/05/952883116/objecting-to-electoral-votes-in-congress-recalls-bitter-moments-in-history https://www.npr.org/2021/01/05/952883116/objecting-to-electo...

greggturkington 6y ago
- dahfizz 6y ago
  > You're comparing that to 50+ lawsuits in Pennsylvania, Nevada, Georgia, and Michigan? No, I'm answering the question "Please name the Democrats who objected to the certification of the Electoral College votes in 2000 and 2004."
seanmcdirmid 6y ago
She died in 2008, so the question is moot anyways.

cronix 6y ago

Here's a video from 2017 (2016 election), with at-the-time Vice President Biden presiding, and objecting to each one because they didn't have a senator backing them as required. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvc4Ht3c2dk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvc4Ht3c2dk Edit: Full Version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uiAex46pVw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uiAex46pVw

seniorThrowaway 6y ago

For 2000 at least one is Alcee L. Hastings (D-FL). I'm not going to search for the others, it is public record, because I don't think your question is genuine.

seanmcdirmid 6y ago
There were no objections entertained during 2000 election certification. Or at least, there was no sponsor in the senate, so no vote was taken.
- seniorThrowaway 6y ago
  The statement was "Please name the Democrats who objected to the certification of the Electoral College votes in 2000 and 2004." I named one. Your response is irrelevant.
  - seanmcdirmid 6y ago
    But the story is titled “ Google won't donate to members of Congress who voted against election results” and the comment, assuming it was made in good faith and wasn’t just there to troll, implied equivalence between the two topics.
    - seniorThrowaway 6y ago
      I think in that case your response should have been to the original comment, not mine. I was responding to a very specific instance of specious feigned ignorance.
      - seanmcdirmid 6y ago
        If someone moves the goal post in a comment and the next comment moves the goal post back, who is in the wrong?

Cthulhu_ 6y ago

2000: "a dozen members of the Congressional Black Caucus, joined by a few sympathizers", Representative Jesse L. Jackson Jr., Democrat of Illinois (https://www.nytimes.com./2001/01/07/us/over-some-objections-congress-certifies-electoral-vote.html https://www.nytimes.com./2001/01/07/us/over-some-objections-... 2004: Ohio Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones and California Sen. Barbara Boxer (https://edition.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/06/electoral.vote.1718/ https://edition.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/06/electoral.vot...)

ta1848 6y ago

Here is the full vote results. For the House and Sentate respectively. In this case yea means they voted to object to the results of the 2004 election. https://web.archive.org/web/20201217051145/https://clerk.house.gov/evs/2005/roll007.xml https://web.archive.org/web/20201217051145/https://clerk.hou... https://web.archive.org/web/20201212192739/https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00001 https://web.archive.org/web/20201212192739/https://www.senat...

scythe 6y ago

About 20 Democrats in 2000, no Senators and no vote was held: https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2001-01-07-0101070449-story.html https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2001-01-07-010107... 32 Democrats in 2004, including Barbara Boxer and 31 congresswomen: https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/2004 https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/2004 However, the objections in 2000 and 2004 were both limited and specific, a far cry from the maelstrom of kettle logic that spawned more than 50 frivolous lawsuits, and which attracted ten Senators and a majority of GOP Representatives. Were the votes counted wrong, as Barnette v. Lawrence insisted, or were the voting procedures unconstitutional, as claimed in Bognet v. Boockvar, or did Dominion Systems somehow install compromised voting machines? The latter claim is currently the subject of a defamation suit targeting one Rudy Giuliani. The argument that what happened in 2020 is anything like the few objections raised in 2000 and 2004 is dishonest and reeks of disinformation. Nobody stormed the Capitol in 2000. No politicians tried to put pressure on state officials like Brad Raffensperger to manipulate the counting process. Nobody tried to disrupt the counting process itself in 2000, whereas Republicans filed lawsuits to prevent all votes being counted in Pennsylvania. Most importantly, no Democratic politician ever insisted to their constituents that the election would be overturned, whereas Trump did.