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Brexit seems like it was a bad move that the UK will regret. But transitional problems like this are IMO to be expected any time there's a change. If you are

Brexit seems like it was a bad move that the UK will regret. But transitional problems like this are IMO to be expected any time there's a change. If you are in favor of leaving the EU, this shouldn't be a significant regret factor. "Just" more frustrations in government rollout of new programs.

Arnt 6y ago
There are big problems on the UK/France border now. But that's not "to be expected", it is to be expected if one deploys a big change without preparing and testing. The French customs service prepared and ran several tests, including this famous one: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/24/trial-of-brexit-border-checks-causes-five-mile-lorry-queues-in-kent https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/24/trial-of-br... The British one didn't, and now has problems. See here, for example: https://twitter.com/DanielLambert29/status/1352887380827643904 https://twitter.com/DanielLambert29/status/13528873808276439... One side prepared, tested and copes. The other didn't, didn't, and doesn't.
- dingaling 6y ago
  > The other didn't, didn't, and doesn't. That French test was of physical controls, not subtle customs coding like the wine example. It's like the difference between an integration test and beta testing. Of course there will be issues, on both sides. And on a more theoretical level, if the EEC had continued as-is and hadn't transformed itself into a political union then we probably wouldn't have had Brexit. So who's to blame?
  - orwin 6y ago
    > Of course there will be issues, on both sides. Yet for now one side seems a lot less prepared than the other one. > And on a more theoretical level, if the EEC had continued as-is and hadn't transformed itself into a political union then we probably wouldn't have had Brexit. So who's to blame? Sorry? Then why not join under Shengen's deal like Switzerland? Nothing to do politically with the UE, same rules and duty as the EEC used to have with some right removed. But Shengen dealt exclusively with trade and movement. Who's to blame? People that never thought about "what would happen if..." and voted anyway. Who will suffer? Always the same.
  - Arnt 6y ago
    What are the issues that "of course there will be", I mean the ones that the French didn't catch in their preparation or (several) tests?

Arnt 6y ago

There are big problems on the UK/France border now. But that's not "to be expected", it is to be expected if one deploys a big change without preparing and testing. The French customs service prepared and ran several tests, including this famous one: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/24/trial-of-brexit-border-checks-causes-five-mile-lorry-queues-in-kent https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/24/trial-of-br... The British one didn't, and now has problems. See here, for example: https://twitter.com/DanielLambert29/status/1352887380827643904 https://twitter.com/DanielLambert29/status/13528873808276439... One side prepared, tested and copes. The other didn't, didn't, and doesn't.

dingaling 6y ago
> The other didn't, didn't, and doesn't. That French test was of physical controls, not subtle customs coding like the wine example. It's like the difference between an integration test and beta testing. Of course there will be issues, on both sides. And on a more theoretical level, if the EEC had continued as-is and hadn't transformed itself into a political union then we probably wouldn't have had Brexit. So who's to blame?
- orwin 6y ago
  > Of course there will be issues, on both sides. Yet for now one side seems a lot less prepared than the other one. > And on a more theoretical level, if the EEC had continued as-is and hadn't transformed itself into a political union then we probably wouldn't have had Brexit. So who's to blame? Sorry? Then why not join under Shengen's deal like Switzerland? Nothing to do politically with the UE, same rules and duty as the EEC used to have with some right removed. But Shengen dealt exclusively with trade and movement. Who's to blame? People that never thought about "what would happen if..." and voted anyway. Who will suffer? Always the same.
- Arnt 6y ago
  What are the issues that "of course there will be", I mean the ones that the French didn't catch in their preparation or (several) tests?