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Are gay men in Norway a very vulnerable community? My impression was no, but I’m willing to have that countered
by peteretep 6y ago
Are gay men in Norway a very vulnerable community? My impression was no, but I’m willing to have that countered
- eznzt 6y agoThey have more disposable income than the median.
- throwaway2245 6y agoCould you cite that? If you're comparing median to median, I find that very unlikely. There are plenty of soft barriers to progress for gay men.
- nxpnsv 6y agoCompare to the median of straight men+women, or the median of straight men? In median, even in Norway women earn on average 80% of men. Assuming sexual orientation otherwise doesn't matter, there should then be a difference between gay men and straight people in general...
- ganzuul 6y agoYou are assuming the single foundation of your argument. Please don't do that.
- nxpnsv 6y agoI made likely what the post I answered to found unlikely. I could not find reliable stats for gay wages in Norway. Gender paygap is however very well monitored by http://www.ssb.no/ http://www.ssb.no/ Arguably my point is not great. If you really want to know about gay conditions in Norway, try this report https://www.ssb.no/a/english/publikasjoner/pdf/rapp_201038_en/rapp_201038_en.pdf https://www.ssb.no/a/english/publikasjoner/pdf/rapp_201038_e...
- jusssi 6y agoGay men are less likely to have children, so not having the expenses resulting from that leaves more disposable income. This is what I've seen cited as a reason multiple times. I have no reference to point to, maybe someone else does?
- Saint_Genet 6y agoA fairly substantial part of the Grindr usrbase is made up of ostensibly straight married family fathers.
- pbhjpbhj 6y agoWouldn't that be "bi[-curious] married family fathers", mainly, assuming you're not suggesting they all fathered children against their will. Or, maybe you mean people who never had/never intended to have homosexual sex? Are there published stats you're referencing?
- Saint_Genet 6y agoI mean men who have self-internalized being straight due to living in a homophobic society. And I speak from personal experience as a long time Grindr user.
- pbhjpbhj 6y agoI see a lot of comments [in general on the web] calling people 'gay' when those people clearly had/are having both heterosexual and homosexual relationships. Things like "Freddie Mercury was gay" when Brian May attests that Mercury enjoyed heterosexual encounters too. The proper definition is bisexual then, it seems. But perhaps the same reluctance to acknowledge those who seek homosexual relationships is present in people who call themselves gay, they won't acknowledge people as bi? Which seems like hypocritical bias against people whose behaviours are bisexual. Maybe the behaviour you call out is because people want to have homosexual sex without being 'gay'. By which I mean without making that sexual activity the focus of their identity (I believe it's known as MSM)? It need not have anything particularly to do with societal disapproval. Who one has sex with, and defining oneself by ones sexuality are quite distinct, as too are sexual desire and desire for relationships. I'm interested in your response?
- netrus 6y agoI cannot speak for Norway specifically, but there is, as far as I know, not a single openly gay player in the (male!) Bundesliga. Apparently, even high-status, well-earning men in progressiv societies can be vulnerable to disclosure of their sexual preferences.
- est31 6y agoSee also: https://www.theweek.co.uk/football/108141/gay-premier-league-footballer-too-scared-to-publicly-come-out https://www.theweek.co.uk/football/108141/gay-premier-league...
- magicalhippo 6y agoIndividuals, even in Norway, can still be significantly affected if their sexual orientation or preference were discovered by others. Anything from getting shunned by family members or religious community, losing out on job offers, to foreigners visiting Norway from a country where their sexual orientation is punishable by law.
- tallanvor 6y agoYes, the LGBT community in Norway is still a vulnerable one. While physical violence is much less of a fear now, people have long memories, and people still report being subject to abuse (hate speech, being pushed, etc.). Further, there are still people living in the closet here, afraid to come out for fear of being disowned by their family or ostracized by their community. Grindr plays a double-edged sword here, because on the one hand it gives people a chance to meet others, but it also creates a risk of them being outed. --That makes people vulnerable to blackmail.
- csunbird 6y agoThink of people who are curious but do not want to disclose that to people.
- ChrisRR 6y agoI think gay men anywhere are a vulnerable community. You can live in the most progressive society in the world, but many people still don't want their sexuality to be common knowledge It's no different to straight people's sex lives, I'm sure many people wouldn't want it to be common knowledge what they're into, and who they've slept with
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