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Great news! They have been preying on a very vulnerable community.
by ganzuul 6y ago
Great news! They have been preying on a very vulnerable community.
- peteretep 6y agoAre gay men in Norway a very vulnerable community? My impression was no, but I’m willing to have that countered
- eznzt 6y agoThey have more disposable income than the median.
- throwaway2245 6y agoCould you cite that? If you're comparing median to median, I find that very unlikely. There are plenty of soft barriers to progress for gay men.
- nxpnsv 6y agoCompare to the median of straight men+women, or the median of straight men? In median, even in Norway women earn on average 80% of men. Assuming sexual orientation otherwise doesn't matter, there should then be a difference between gay men and straight people in general...
- ganzuul 6y agoYou are assuming the single foundation of your argument. Please don't do that.
- nxpnsv 6y agoI made likely what the post I answered to found unlikely. I could not find reliable stats for gay wages in Norway. Gender paygap is however very well monitored by http://www.ssb.no/ http://www.ssb.no/ Arguably my point is not great. If you really want to know about gay conditions in Norway, try this report https://www.ssb.no/a/english/publikasjoner/pdf/rapp_201038_en/rapp_201038_en.pdf https://www.ssb.no/a/english/publikasjoner/pdf/rapp_201038_e...
- jusssi 6y agoGay men are less likely to have children, so not having the expenses resulting from that leaves more disposable income. This is what I've seen cited as a reason multiple times. I have no reference to point to, maybe someone else does?
- Saint_Genet 6y agoA fairly substantial part of the Grindr usrbase is made up of ostensibly straight married family fathers.
- pbhjpbhj 6y agoWouldn't that be "bi[-curious] married family fathers", mainly, assuming you're not suggesting they all fathered children against their will. Or, maybe you mean people who never had/never intended to have homosexual sex? Are there published stats you're referencing?
- Saint_Genet 6y agoI mean men who have self-internalized being straight due to living in a homophobic society. And I speak from personal experience as a long time Grindr user.
- pbhjpbhj 6y agoI see a lot of comments [in general on the web] calling people 'gay' when those people clearly had/are having both heterosexual and homosexual relationships. Things like "Freddie Mercury was gay" when Brian May attests that Mercury enjoyed heterosexual encounters too. The proper definition is bisexual then, it seems. But perhaps the same reluctance to acknowledge those who seek homosexual relationships is present in people who call themselves gay, they won't acknowledge people as bi? Which seems like hypocritical bias against people whose behaviours are bisexual. Maybe the behaviour you call out is because people want to have homosexual sex without being 'gay'. By which I mean without making that sexual activity the focus of their identity (I believe it's known as MSM)? It need not have anything particularly to do with societal disapproval. Who one has sex with, and defining oneself by ones sexuality are quite distinct, as too are sexual desire and desire for relationships. I'm interested in your response?
- netrus 6y agoI cannot speak for Norway specifically, but there is, as far as I know, not a single openly gay player in the (male!) Bundesliga. Apparently, even high-status, well-earning men in progressiv societies can be vulnerable to disclosure of their sexual preferences.
- est31 6y agoSee also: https://www.theweek.co.uk/football/108141/gay-premier-league-footballer-too-scared-to-publicly-come-out https://www.theweek.co.uk/football/108141/gay-premier-league...
- magicalhippo 6y agoIndividuals, even in Norway, can still be significantly affected if their sexual orientation or preference were discovered by others. Anything from getting shunned by family members or religious community, losing out on job offers, to foreigners visiting Norway from a country where their sexual orientation is punishable by law.
- tallanvor 6y agoYes, the LGBT community in Norway is still a vulnerable one. While physical violence is much less of a fear now, people have long memories, and people still report being subject to abuse (hate speech, being pushed, etc.). Further, there are still people living in the closet here, afraid to come out for fear of being disowned by their family or ostracized by their community. Grindr plays a double-edged sword here, because on the one hand it gives people a chance to meet others, but it also creates a risk of them being outed. --That makes people vulnerable to blackmail.
- csunbird 6y agoThink of people who are curious but do not want to disclose that to people.
- ChrisRR 6y agoI think gay men anywhere are a vulnerable community. You can live in the most progressive society in the world, but many people still don't want their sexuality to be common knowledge It's no different to straight people's sex lives, I'm sure many people wouldn't want it to be common knowledge what they're into, and who they've slept with
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- moritonal 6y agoWhy do you say that? The app was founded in LA where I wouldn't describe the gay scene as vulnerable. Is the situation in Normay different?
- martin_a 6y agoBeing gay can still get you arrested or killed in some countries of the world. Even if not, discrimination of gay people surely is a thing all over the world. Besides that, dating apps of any kind should be held to very high data protection standards for the sometimes very delicate matters.
- neilsense 6y agoBeing Hindu can get you killed in some countries too, that doesn't make me, a Hindu, in the UK, vulnerable. Has everyone just decided that words have no meaning anymore?
- tluyben2 6y ago> Has everyone just decided that words have no meaning anymore? Yes. It seems a lovely social media trend. And on instagram many (most?) people don't seem to actually be able to use words, only emoji's. Not sure if that's worse or better.
- ChrisRR 6y agoThat doesn't mean you speak on behalf of all hindus. Just because you don't feel threatened and free to be a proud hindu What if a person lives near racists, people who keep directing hate at hindus because of their (unjustified) hate against muslims? They may feel unsafe if people knew they were hindu no matter the area of the world It's good that you don't feel threatened, but unfortunately not everyone is so lucky. And we should respect people who want to keep any aspect of their lives private.
- giantDinosaur 6y agoBeing gay means that simply holding hands with one's partner puts one at direct risk of being attacked. This is certainly still true in places like the UK. Are you saying you're at as much of a risk of being attacked like that in the UK for being Hindu? If so, it sounds like the UK has some major safety issues.
- secondcoming 6y ago'Preying' is a bit much. Nobody is forced to use grindr and the whole point of the app is to meet same-sex people geographically close to you. This whole case seems to revolve around whether the 'Legitimate Interest' legal basis is valid or not. It was only a matter of time before it was legally challenged.
- nulbyte 6y agoAnimals higher up on the food chain don't need force. Many get to know the habits of their prey to entice them without forcing them to do anything. Prey is a very appropriate word when talking about this kind of marketing and manufactured consent.
- ganzuul 6y agoIf they misled their customers about how their PII is used in order to make a profit, that makes them predators.