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I believe in the end of the day, it will be directly or indirectly forced. Like, people who were not vaccinated will be fined, or later, detained if they are ca

I believe in the end of the day, it will be directly or indirectly forced. Like, people who were not vaccinated will be fined, or later, detained if they are caught leaving their homes. I just see no other way around it, or pandemic never stops in most countries.

WA 6y ago
Not sure where you're from, but most Western countries have no legal basis to detain people leaving their homes just because they're not vaccinated. There might be some restrictions like air travel though.
- pelasaco 6y ago
  even though I agree with you, The government has no business in saying who and how many people I invite to my home, or either who i meet in the Park. And here we are.
  - mbg721 6y ago
    There's an issue here in defining how long a state of emergency can last. For most people, a few days (as for a natural disaster) is perfectly reasonable, and years on end is obvious abuse of power. We're just in between at the moment.
- anovikov 6y ago
  there will be a point where these concerns will have to be thrown out of the window. or the epidemic will just be endless.
  - pelasaco 6y ago
    "These concerns" are what we call Fundamental rights. I don't think we should throw them out of the window.
    - swarnie_ 6y ago
      Considering i haven't seen my parents in 10 months its safe to say we already have.
    - anovikov 6y ago
      it will work easily: nations that do it first, will be so rapidly outcompeting others, in a few years everyone will see there is no choice.
      - pelasaco 6y ago
        Sorry, you mean nations that kill democracy are going to out compete the others?
        mbg721 6y ago
        There are "others"?
steerablesafe 6y ago
Yes, Hungary will introduce "vaccine passport" (vakcinaútlevél) cards to be exempt from curfew for example.
- pelasaco 6y ago
  that would just make sense or be fair if everyone get access to the vaccine before those passports are enforced. Otherwise the 80+ years old people are going to have a lot of fun in an empty world :)
  - steerablesafe 6y ago
    It's mostly at the rumor level, but this concept seems to be supported by decision makers so far. AFAIK no decision or timeline yet.
    - pelasaco 6y ago
      yes, well in Germany, the Federal Minister of Health said that "Vaccine won't be mandatory" but there were already some decisions to fire/punish employees (i.e Nurses and Soldiers) that refused to take the vaccine. That's remember me the famous saying: "Nobody has any intention of building a wall" (Walter Ulbricht) References: https://www.merkur.de/welt/coronavirus-impfung-impfpflicht-chef-kuendigung-verweigerer-gegner-pflege-dessau-sachsen-anhalt-zr-90179082.html https://www.merkur.de/welt/coronavirus-impfung-impfpflicht-c... https://www.merkur.de/welt/coronavirus-impfung-impfpflicht-chef-kuendigung-verweigerer-gegner-pflege-dessau-sachsen-anhalt-zr-90179082.html https://www.merkur.de/welt/coronavirus-impfung-impfpflicht-c... https://footage-berlin.com/en/nobody-has-any-intention-of-building-a-wall-walter-ulbricht-june-15-1961/ https://footage-berlin.com/en/nobody-has-any-intention-of-bu...

WA 6y ago

Not sure where you're from, but most Western countries have no legal basis to detain people leaving their homes just because they're not vaccinated. There might be some restrictions like air travel though.

pelasaco 6y ago
even though I agree with you, The government has no business in saying who and how many people I invite to my home, or either who i meet in the Park. And here we are.
- mbg721 6y ago
  There's an issue here in defining how long a state of emergency can last. For most people, a few days (as for a natural disaster) is perfectly reasonable, and years on end is obvious abuse of power. We're just in between at the moment.
anovikov 6y ago
there will be a point where these concerns will have to be thrown out of the window. or the epidemic will just be endless.
- pelasaco 6y ago
  "These concerns" are what we call Fundamental rights. I don't think we should throw them out of the window.
  - swarnie_ 6y ago
    Considering i haven't seen my parents in 10 months its safe to say we already have.
  - anovikov 6y ago
    it will work easily: nations that do it first, will be so rapidly outcompeting others, in a few years everyone will see there is no choice.
    - pelasaco 6y ago
      Sorry, you mean nations that kill democracy are going to out compete the others?
      - mbg721 6y ago
        There are "others"?

steerablesafe 6y ago

Yes, Hungary will introduce "vaccine passport" (vakcinaútlevél) cards to be exempt from curfew for example.

pelasaco 6y ago
that would just make sense or be fair if everyone get access to the vaccine before those passports are enforced. Otherwise the 80+ years old people are going to have a lot of fun in an empty world :)
- steerablesafe 6y ago
  It's mostly at the rumor level, but this concept seems to be supported by decision makers so far. AFAIK no decision or timeline yet.
  - pelasaco 6y ago
    yes, well in Germany, the Federal Minister of Health said that "Vaccine won't be mandatory" but there were already some decisions to fire/punish employees (i.e Nurses and Soldiers) that refused to take the vaccine. That's remember me the famous saying: "Nobody has any intention of building a wall" (Walter Ulbricht) References: https://www.merkur.de/welt/coronavirus-impfung-impfpflicht-chef-kuendigung-verweigerer-gegner-pflege-dessau-sachsen-anhalt-zr-90179082.html https://www.merkur.de/welt/coronavirus-impfung-impfpflicht-c... https://www.merkur.de/welt/coronavirus-impfung-impfpflicht-chef-kuendigung-verweigerer-gegner-pflege-dessau-sachsen-anhalt-zr-90179082.html https://www.merkur.de/welt/coronavirus-impfung-impfpflicht-c... https://footage-berlin.com/en/nobody-has-any-intention-of-building-a-wall-walter-ulbricht-june-15-1961/ https://footage-berlin.com/en/nobody-has-any-intention-of-bu...