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Is it just like having dark skin in white-majority countries, or worse? /r/2020PoliceBrutality

mhh__ 6y ago
Please don't lump the US and the rest of the world together. The UK still has racism, for example, but we don't get people being regularly shot by police black or not.
- arpa 6y ago
  Bobbies are less trigger happy, true, however there are quite a few that will happily hit someone on their head repeatedly. I guess that's common for law enforcement anywhere.
- eggbert12 6y ago
  According to the Washington Post police shooting database, 19 unarmed black men were shot by police in all of 2019. Not exactly some runaway problem. Meanwhile your government can dictate whether your child can live or die based on their calculated prognosis - and won’t let you leave the country for a second opinion.
  - mhh__ 6y ago
    > According to the Washington Post police shooting database, 19 unarmed black men were shot by police in all of 2019. Not exactly some runaway problem. Ignoring that 2019 seemed to be a low year, that's still more people than were killed by police in the UK in total. > Meanwhile your government can dictate whether your child can live or die based on their calculated prognosis - and won’t let you leave the country for a second opinion. Second opinion from whom? NICE have to balance treatments based on cost-efficiency as well as efficacy, if you want to pay for better treatment they don't stop you because it's not on the NHS. https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/health/nhs-healthcare/nhs-patients-rights/ https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/health/nhs-healthcare/nhs-... If you want a second opinion you have to change GP, which is basically exact what you'd do in the states anyway. Just because you want them to give you an opinion doesn't mean you'll get the one you want. https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/ https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-fin... Meanwhile, people die every year in the United States because they have no healthcare at all. A Bit of perspective...
    - h_anna_h 6y ago
      > that's still more people than were killed by police in the UK in total. This makes perfect sense, the US has almost 5 times more population than the UK. > If you want a second opinion you have to change GP You can't just change GP, you have to do some bureaucratic BS first afaik. Do you have the option to leave the country in order to get a second opinion from a doctor in the EU?
      - mhh__ 6y ago
        > This makes perfect sense, the US has almost 5 times more population than the UK. 5 (UK Police-induced deaths including Terrorists and the like) times 5 is not 1000. > You can't just change GP, you have to do some bureaucratic BS first afaik. The website I linked says change GP, and it's not that difficult to do in my experience (It's still annoyingly non-automated). > Do you have the option to leave the country in order to get a second opinion from a doctor in the EU? Practically I think it would arguably be malpractice if your GP ignored you if you did of your own accord, but with Brexit I genuinely don't know what the framework is anymore. https://www.nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/healthcare-abroad/going-abroad-for-treatment/going-abroad-for-medical-treatment/ https://www.nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/healthcare-abroad/going-abr... But contrary to what you seemed to be implying they don't stop you from doing that or paying for it yourself. The NHS is not without flaws, and is arguably (I would certainly argue) empirically worse than other alternatives in Europe, but all this death-panel crap is literally just regurgitated anti-Obamacare talking points from a decade ago with almost no relevance to the ills actually plaguing single-payer healthcare.
        h_anna_h 6y ago
        > Practically I think it would arguably be malpractice if your GP ignored you if you did of your own accord I do not think that this answers the question. It also does not need to be in the EU. Do I have the option to get a second opinion from a doctor in Brazil or the US or Russia? > But contrary to what you seemed to be implying I never implied that, not sure where you got that from. I find this attack unwarranted.
- cbozeman 6y ago
  19 Black Americans shot out of some 30,000,000 or more... and how many were actively resisting arrest as we've seen time and time again once all the footage is released. Meanwhile, your glorious United Kingdom is jailing - sorry... gaoling people - for fucking... MEAN TWEETS THAT CALL PEOPLE THE WRONG GENDER, LOL! I mean, they're both pretty fucking awful... shooting someone for driving drunk, endangering the public, refusing for over 45 minutes to come with the police, then pulling out a gun and trying to shoot said police, but getting shot yourself. Yeah, that's definitely a travesty of policing. Meanwhile the Metropolitan Police Service are cracking down hard on psychological abusers who have the audacity - the. god. damn. AUDACITY! - to call a transgender person by the wrong pronoun. God bless those hardworking Xes and Xirs for toppling the the true criminal empires. EDIT: Since the poster deleted his reply, I'm gonna leave this here for him: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-offensive-facebook-and-twitter-posts-soar-london-a7064246.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-offensive-face... "The Communications Act 2003 defines illegal communication as “using public electronic communications network in order to cause annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety”. Breaking the law carries a six-month prison term or fine of up to £5,000." Annoyance. Inconvenience. Or needless anxiety. Instead of just telling adults to block someone. I don't know how anyone in their right mind could possibly say the United Kingdom is not devolving into a nanny state when that kind of language is used in their laws.
  - mhh__ 6y ago
    > 19 Black Americans shot out of some 30,000,000 or more... and how many were actively resisting arrest as we've seen time and time again once all the footage is released. Shoot first, ask questions later. Why are you highlighting black people at all when I specifically said black or not? About 1000 people get shot every year by police in the US, last year in the UK it was about 5 IIRC. I'm pretty sure Breonna Taylor wasn't resisting arrest, but go ahead. > Meanwhile, your glorious United Kingdom is jailing - sorry... gaoling people - for fucking... MEAN TWEETS THAT CALL PEOPLE THE WRONG GENDER, LOL! [Citation Needed] Also I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings snowflake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
ku-man 6y ago
Other non-white majority countries can be very racist too, e.g. Mexico, Brazil.

Please don't lump the US and the rest of the world together. The UK still has racism, for example, but we don't get people being regularly shot by police black or not.

arpa 6y ago
Bobbies are less trigger happy, true, however there are quite a few that will happily hit someone on their head repeatedly. I guess that's common for law enforcement anywhere.
eggbert12 6y ago
According to the Washington Post police shooting database, 19 unarmed black men were shot by police in all of 2019. Not exactly some runaway problem. Meanwhile your government can dictate whether your child can live or die based on their calculated prognosis - and won’t let you leave the country for a second opinion.
- mhh__ 6y ago
  > According to the Washington Post police shooting database, 19 unarmed black men were shot by police in all of 2019. Not exactly some runaway problem. Ignoring that 2019 seemed to be a low year, that's still more people than were killed by police in the UK in total. > Meanwhile your government can dictate whether your child can live or die based on their calculated prognosis - and won’t let you leave the country for a second opinion. Second opinion from whom? NICE have to balance treatments based on cost-efficiency as well as efficacy, if you want to pay for better treatment they don't stop you because it's not on the NHS. https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/health/nhs-healthcare/nhs-patients-rights/ https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/health/nhs-healthcare/nhs-... If you want a second opinion you have to change GP, which is basically exact what you'd do in the states anyway. Just because you want them to give you an opinion doesn't mean you'll get the one you want. https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/ https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-fin... Meanwhile, people die every year in the United States because they have no healthcare at all. A Bit of perspective...
  - h_anna_h 6y ago
    > that's still more people than were killed by police in the UK in total. This makes perfect sense, the US has almost 5 times more population than the UK. > If you want a second opinion you have to change GP You can't just change GP, you have to do some bureaucratic BS first afaik. Do you have the option to leave the country in order to get a second opinion from a doctor in the EU?
    - mhh__ 6y ago
      > This makes perfect sense, the US has almost 5 times more population than the UK. 5 (UK Police-induced deaths including Terrorists and the like) times 5 is not 1000. > You can't just change GP, you have to do some bureaucratic BS first afaik. The website I linked says change GP, and it's not that difficult to do in my experience (It's still annoyingly non-automated). > Do you have the option to leave the country in order to get a second opinion from a doctor in the EU? Practically I think it would arguably be malpractice if your GP ignored you if you did of your own accord, but with Brexit I genuinely don't know what the framework is anymore. https://www.nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/healthcare-abroad/going-abroad-for-treatment/going-abroad-for-medical-treatment/ https://www.nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/healthcare-abroad/going-abr... But contrary to what you seemed to be implying they don't stop you from doing that or paying for it yourself. The NHS is not without flaws, and is arguably (I would certainly argue) empirically worse than other alternatives in Europe, but all this death-panel crap is literally just regurgitated anti-Obamacare talking points from a decade ago with almost no relevance to the ills actually plaguing single-payer healthcare.
      - h_anna_h 6y ago
        > Practically I think it would arguably be malpractice if your GP ignored you if you did of your own accord I do not think that this answers the question. It also does not need to be in the EU. Do I have the option to get a second opinion from a doctor in Brazil or the US or Russia? > But contrary to what you seemed to be implying I never implied that, not sure where you got that from. I find this attack unwarranted.
cbozeman 6y ago
19 Black Americans shot out of some 30,000,000 or more... and how many were actively resisting arrest as we've seen time and time again once all the footage is released. Meanwhile, your glorious United Kingdom is jailing - sorry... gaoling people - for fucking... MEAN TWEETS THAT CALL PEOPLE THE WRONG GENDER, LOL! I mean, they're both pretty fucking awful... shooting someone for driving drunk, endangering the public, refusing for over 45 minutes to come with the police, then pulling out a gun and trying to shoot said police, but getting shot yourself. Yeah, that's definitely a travesty of policing. Meanwhile the Metropolitan Police Service are cracking down hard on psychological abusers who have the audacity - the. god. damn. AUDACITY! - to call a transgender person by the wrong pronoun. God bless those hardworking Xes and Xirs for toppling the the true criminal empires. EDIT: Since the poster deleted his reply, I'm gonna leave this here for him: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-offensive-facebook-and-twitter-posts-soar-london-a7064246.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/arrests-offensive-face... "The Communications Act 2003 defines illegal communication as “using public electronic communications network in order to cause annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety”. Breaking the law carries a six-month prison term or fine of up to £5,000." Annoyance. Inconvenience. Or needless anxiety. Instead of just telling adults to block someone. I don't know how anyone in their right mind could possibly say the United Kingdom is not devolving into a nanny state when that kind of language is used in their laws.
- mhh__ 6y ago
  > 19 Black Americans shot out of some 30,000,000 or more... and how many were actively resisting arrest as we've seen time and time again once all the footage is released. Shoot first, ask questions later. Why are you highlighting black people at all when I specifically said black or not? About 1000 people get shot every year by police in the US, last year in the UK it was about 5 IIRC. I'm pretty sure Breonna Taylor wasn't resisting arrest, but go ahead. > Meanwhile, your glorious United Kingdom is jailing - sorry... gaoling people - for fucking... MEAN TWEETS THAT CALL PEOPLE THE WRONG GENDER, LOL! [Citation Needed] Also I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings snowflake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

ku-man 6y ago

Other non-white majority countries can be very racist too, e.g. Mexico, Brazil.