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If you've never seen it, it's worth your time to watch "Don't Talk to The Police", a lecture by a law professor, in case the FBI, etc. come knocking on yo

If you've never seen it, it's worth your time to watch "Don't Talk to The Police", a lecture by a law professor, in case the FBI, etc. come knocking on your door. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

MichaelApproved 6y ago
It's a video that even lawyers should watch to remind themselves just how harmful talking can be. Here's a great example of a lawyer in need of a refresher https://youtu.be/_rVsRmcE-u8 https://youtu.be/_rVsRmcE-u8
sn_master 6y ago
Unrelated, but when I saw this first comments were still allowed. Everywhere on YouTube it seems comments are being disabled on new and old videos :/
- barkingcat 6y ago
  It's because leaving comments enabled invites the worst of humanity to post excrement on your videos. It's a well known issue. Unless you have time to devote to deleting offensive comments (and many comments are just swear words copied and pasted a few hundred times), just disable comments.
  - sn_master 6y ago
    Often case it's the author disagreeing with a good number of the viewers, and not any spam or vulgar content.
    - sn_master 6y ago
      YouTube already has moderation like Facebook if someone says Report, it's not like the channel author isn't responsible for every single comment.
javajosh 6y ago
Well, if you agree with that advice then you shouldn't say anything in public either, e.g. here on HN, since that too can be used against you.
- mbrameld 6y ago
  Can you think of a way that talking to the police might be different from posting on HN when it comes to self-incrimination? If you truly can't just let me know and I'll give you a hand, but you should try the exercise yourself first.
- babygoat 6y ago
  Are you talking about getting downvoted? Or how are people using things against one other on HN?
  - javajosh 6y ago
    Thanks for the clarifying question, instead of an attack. I mean that anything you say that is publicly accessible can be used against you. Consider that you are charged with, I don't know, theft of a Coke. And you have a twitter account where you say you love Coke so much, but hate that its so expensive. This could very well be used against you, as it goes to a general motive. In the same way, HN discussions are wide ranging and could be used by a prosecutor in a similar way. And indeed, just posting here at all on a site with "hacker" in its title is inherently risky.
- seamyb88 6y ago
  It's a talented cop who can tie you to a murder based on your favourite JavaScript framework.
  - MichaelApproved 6y ago
    Who said anything about a murder? Why don't you come in to clear the air about these JavaScript muders? Just a friendly chat...
  - javajosh 6y ago
tuxone 6y ago
If you are from EU take it easy at 27:25, I’m sure there’s no data about what he’s talking about.
- williamdclt 6y ago
  Yeah, I was going to react to that. I'm not from Italy or Spain but definitely could be in "so forth", I found that somewhat offensive. Especially coming from an American policeman, where police brutality is no small problem... I found him a good advocate of "don't talk to police", a lot of things he describes as standard police practice I would have hoped are illegal, and probably are in some EU countries (police can lie in interview??)
  - atlih 6y ago
    Just because there's a lot of news of US police brutality and little or no news from [insert country]'s police brutality, that data point could just as well mean that the news are more robust in the US than that there's less of it in other countries.
    - seamyb88 6y ago
      There are some pretty poor attempts to justify it, but "it's not that our police are bad, it's that our News is brilliant" has to be up there.
      - konjin 6y ago
        The US isn't better or worse than Europe, it's different. Having lived in both the hypocrisy of Europeans when it comes to police brutality to gypsies is astonishing, doubly so since I'm half gypsy but white enough to get a free pass and get told how bad 'they' are.
        stretchcat 6y ago
        Usually it's around this time that some European chimes in with some bullshit about how it's not racism when it's against gypsies. Hopefully this time they spare us.
ransom1538 6y ago
Watch this 2 times.
bastardoperator 6y ago
These folks weren't smart enough to leave their tracking devices at home and a ton of them filmed their crimes. Everyone has a right to remain silent, but it's not going to help in most of these cases where the evidence is so abundant.
- fatsdomino001 6y ago
  I wonder if these same techniques will be used to track down all the rioters and looters from this past summer. Or is it just used against particular groups?
  - aikinai 6y ago
    That’s some next-level reality distortion to frame this as “against particular groups.” Unless you define the “particular group” as people that directly attack the heart of the government.
  - newacct583 6y ago
    The actually violent leftie anarchists knew all this stuff ahead of time and didn't leave digital trails. Their whole gig was opposition to the police, which means they knew what they were facing and how the system worked. What's notable about the capitol mob is the fact that, while yeah, they knew they were attacking congress technically, they figured that doing it in service to a sitting president made it legal somehow. Needless to say, one of those motivations is a lot scarier than the other.
    - laretluval 6y ago
      I'd say the people who have invested time, forethought, and organization into how to evade law enforcement are scarier.
      - sk5t 6y ago
        I'm more concerned about people who think and act as if there is no law that applies to them, compared to those who would evade the law.

MichaelApproved 6y ago

It's a video that even lawyers should watch to remind themselves just how harmful talking can be. Here's a great example of a lawyer in need of a refresher https://youtu.be/_rVsRmcE-u8 https://youtu.be/_rVsRmcE-u8

sn_master 6y ago

Unrelated, but when I saw this first comments were still allowed. Everywhere on YouTube it seems comments are being disabled on new and old videos :/

barkingcat 6y ago
It's because leaving comments enabled invites the worst of humanity to post excrement on your videos. It's a well known issue. Unless you have time to devote to deleting offensive comments (and many comments are just swear words copied and pasted a few hundred times), just disable comments.
- sn_master 6y ago
  Often case it's the author disagreeing with a good number of the viewers, and not any spam or vulgar content.
  - sn_master 6y ago
    YouTube already has moderation like Facebook if someone says Report, it's not like the channel author isn't responsible for every single comment.

javajosh 6y ago

Well, if you agree with that advice then you shouldn't say anything in public either, e.g. here on HN, since that too can be used against you.

mbrameld 6y ago
Can you think of a way that talking to the police might be different from posting on HN when it comes to self-incrimination? If you truly can't just let me know and I'll give you a hand, but you should try the exercise yourself first.
babygoat 6y ago
Are you talking about getting downvoted? Or how are people using things against one other on HN?
- javajosh 6y ago
  Thanks for the clarifying question, instead of an attack. I mean that anything you say that is publicly accessible can be used against you. Consider that you are charged with, I don't know, theft of a Coke. And you have a twitter account where you say you love Coke so much, but hate that its so expensive. This could very well be used against you, as it goes to a general motive. In the same way, HN discussions are wide ranging and could be used by a prosecutor in a similar way. And indeed, just posting here at all on a site with "hacker" in its title is inherently risky.
seamyb88 6y ago
It's a talented cop who can tie you to a murder based on your favourite JavaScript framework.
- MichaelApproved 6y ago
  Who said anything about a murder? Why don't you come in to clear the air about these JavaScript muders? Just a friendly chat...
- javajosh 6y ago

tuxone 6y ago

If you are from EU take it easy at 27:25, I’m sure there’s no data about what he’s talking about.

williamdclt 6y ago
Yeah, I was going to react to that. I'm not from Italy or Spain but definitely could be in "so forth", I found that somewhat offensive. Especially coming from an American policeman, where police brutality is no small problem... I found him a good advocate of "don't talk to police", a lot of things he describes as standard police practice I would have hoped are illegal, and probably are in some EU countries (police can lie in interview??)
- atlih 6y ago
  Just because there's a lot of news of US police brutality and little or no news from [insert country]'s police brutality, that data point could just as well mean that the news are more robust in the US than that there's less of it in other countries.
  - seamyb88 6y ago
    There are some pretty poor attempts to justify it, but "it's not that our police are bad, it's that our News is brilliant" has to be up there.
    - konjin 6y ago
      The US isn't better or worse than Europe, it's different. Having lived in both the hypocrisy of Europeans when it comes to police brutality to gypsies is astonishing, doubly so since I'm half gypsy but white enough to get a free pass and get told how bad 'they' are.
      - stretchcat 6y ago
        Usually it's around this time that some European chimes in with some bullshit about how it's not racism when it's against gypsies. Hopefully this time they spare us.

ransom1538 6y ago

Watch this 2 times.

bastardoperator 6y ago

These folks weren't smart enough to leave their tracking devices at home and a ton of them filmed their crimes. Everyone has a right to remain silent, but it's not going to help in most of these cases where the evidence is so abundant.

fatsdomino001 6y ago
I wonder if these same techniques will be used to track down all the rioters and looters from this past summer. Or is it just used against particular groups?
- aikinai 6y ago
  That’s some next-level reality distortion to frame this as “against particular groups.” Unless you define the “particular group” as people that directly attack the heart of the government.
- newacct583 6y ago
  The actually violent leftie anarchists knew all this stuff ahead of time and didn't leave digital trails. Their whole gig was opposition to the police, which means they knew what they were facing and how the system worked. What's notable about the capitol mob is the fact that, while yeah, they knew they were attacking congress technically, they figured that doing it in service to a sitting president made it legal somehow. Needless to say, one of those motivations is a lot scarier than the other.
  - laretluval 6y ago
    I'd say the people who have invested time, forethought, and organization into how to evade law enforcement are scarier.
    - sk5t 6y ago
      I'm more concerned about people who think and act as if there is no law that applies to them, compared to those who would evade the law.