4 ms·

News channels were always like this. We just have the internet to cross check now.

phkahler 6y ago
>> News channels were always like this. We just have the internet to cross check now. CNN was not in the beginning. They were a scrappy news channel that came to prominence with real reporting (most notably in the Iraq war). They got corrupted once it was clear they could not be ignored. News sources have probably always had bias, but it was never such blatant characature back in the day.
- wisam 6y ago
  I'm not even American, but CNN coverage of the 1990-91 Gulf War really put them on the radar. The whole Middle East watched CNN Live coverage.
  - mbg721 6y ago
    Anecdotally, (and I am American) it was also somewhere between the Gulf War and the OJ Simpson trial that cable changed from some exotic thing that rich people paid for to something a lot of your friends had.
  - spaetzleesser 6y ago
    I remember there was this CNN guy in Bagdad that reported the air attacks live from there. That definitely put them on the map.
    - evgen 6y ago
      Bernard Shaw and a couple of other reporters from what I remember. I distinctly recall tuning in a few minutes after things started and listening to them hide in the hotel room as Iraqi security started to clear the hotel that all of the reporters were staying in at the time.
    - dhimes 6y ago
      Wolf Blitzer, IIRC, did that.
      - lukateake 6y ago
        Wolf Blitzer was the CNN reporter at the Pentagon that day. He appears in the first video linked above.
    - DonHopkins 6y ago
      Al Franken and his One Man Mobile Uplink! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHKiVkeup2o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHKiVkeup2o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCwYfNo3BGU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCwYfNo3BGU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxyMnhqhEII https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxyMnhqhEII
    - spaetzleesser 6y ago
      Just remembered: Peter Arnett. He was the only one who had a phone line out from Iraq during the first attacks.
  - bena 6y ago
    Dude had a cameo in the first Ghostbusters. Larry King was already a known entity. There's a reason CNN picked him up. Never mind, I got mixed up, you're talking about just CNN.
    - selimthegrim 6y ago
      He also went with Snoop to Roscoe’s Chicken and Waffles and did not appear to enjoy the food.
  - epc 6y ago
    Just in the past week someone posted what appears to be control room video from CNN in 1991 (and others): https://youtu.be/5CxWCWhs-uc https://youtu.be/5CxWCWhs-uc - start of the US air war, https://youtu.be/RpClxMvpEmM https://youtu.be/RpClxMvpEmM - second hour.
- ecopoesis 6y ago
  CNN launched in 1980. The Gulf war was in 1990. Larry King Live premiered on CNN in 1985. CNN has long been a mix of news and opinion, like all news media ever. That’s why media exists: to push facts and interpretations of those facts. Media is not a charity: William Randolph Hearst and Ted Turner want something for their money: they want to control the narrative. It has always been blatant: you just haven’t been paying attention. Hearst started a war! He was such a reviled figure that one of the greatest movies ever made was made to dunk on him.
- rayiner 6y ago
  I distinctly remember when CNN jumped the shark. It was during the 2000 election coverage when they started introducing all these computer generated graphics.
  - asveikau 6y ago
    I remember their coverage of Monica Lewinsky and related issues being pretty annoying, along with the rest of the networks. I remember when Clinton tried to attack claimed al Qaeda infrastructure after the embassy bombings and made a speech about bin Laden (the first time I heard the name) they asked if it was to distract from Monica. Compared it to the film Wag the Dog.
brobdingnagians 6y ago
I think some news was always like this; but I think investigative journalism like Glenn Greenwald used to be given more time in the primetime news. Really shocking things were uncovered and actually spread (like Norman Gorin's 60 Minutes Report on 1976 swine flu). There is news that is fantastic now, but it is getting pushed further and further out.
codysan 6y ago
News channels do not broadcast 24 hours of news. The majority of programming are personalities, opinions and "recaps." The actual news comes on in hour-long chunks once early in the morning, mid-day and at primetime.
- Cthulhu_ 6y ago
  I'm not going to say my news is perfect, but it's from a non-commercial / nonpartisan organization, they get money from the government / taxes (which is less than ideal, but their independence is codified I believe), etc. It sticks to the news, professional-like. Switch to the commercial channels (we thankfully don't have major 24 hour news channels) and the news on there has much more er, Personalities, quirkiness, some silly background news, and a weatherman that travels the country to visit events and petting zoos and shit.
  - codysan 6y ago
    State-funded media has it's own problems but at least there's some accountability which is effectively nonexistent for large media companies. As long as the free market rewards sensationalism, there will be profit driven "journalism." Ultimately, the general populace needs to be educated on the veracity of news in the digital age; how to spot a misleading headline, and how to corroborate actual expository works.
  - specialist 6y ago
    As you well know: The trick is paying attention long enough to determine if sources stay consistent, issue proper corrections & retractions, are intellectually honest, etc. Or if the purveyors are just hacking ratings, for more ad revenue. In the 80s, I eschewed a career in broadcast media. I loved the gear, doing creative stuff, working in the studio. But absolutely hated the business. "If it bleeds, it leads." We've been complaining about outrage engines since the beginning. Social media just made things much much worse.
- matwood 6y ago
  > The actual news comes on in hour-long chunks once early in the morning, mid-day and at primetime. Yep, even Fox has some 'real' news a few times a day. Or at least they did until Sheppard Smith quit.

>> News channels were always like this. We just have the internet to cross check now. CNN was not in the beginning. They were a scrappy news channel that came to prominence with real reporting (most notably in the Iraq war). They got corrupted once it was clear they could not be ignored. News sources have probably always had bias, but it was never such blatant characature back in the day.

wisam 6y ago
I'm not even American, but CNN coverage of the 1990-91 Gulf War really put them on the radar. The whole Middle East watched CNN Live coverage.
- mbg721 6y ago
  Anecdotally, (and I am American) it was also somewhere between the Gulf War and the OJ Simpson trial that cable changed from some exotic thing that rich people paid for to something a lot of your friends had.
- spaetzleesser 6y ago
  I remember there was this CNN guy in Bagdad that reported the air attacks live from there. That definitely put them on the map.
  - evgen 6y ago
    Bernard Shaw and a couple of other reporters from what I remember. I distinctly recall tuning in a few minutes after things started and listening to them hide in the hotel room as Iraqi security started to clear the hotel that all of the reporters were staying in at the time.
  - dhimes 6y ago
    Wolf Blitzer, IIRC, did that.
    - lukateake 6y ago
      Wolf Blitzer was the CNN reporter at the Pentagon that day. He appears in the first video linked above.
  - DonHopkins 6y ago
    Al Franken and his One Man Mobile Uplink! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHKiVkeup2o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHKiVkeup2o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCwYfNo3BGU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCwYfNo3BGU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxyMnhqhEII https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxyMnhqhEII
  - spaetzleesser 6y ago
    Just remembered: Peter Arnett. He was the only one who had a phone line out from Iraq during the first attacks.
- bena 6y ago
  Dude had a cameo in the first Ghostbusters. Larry King was already a known entity. There's a reason CNN picked him up. Never mind, I got mixed up, you're talking about just CNN.
  - selimthegrim 6y ago
    He also went with Snoop to Roscoe’s Chicken and Waffles and did not appear to enjoy the food.
- epc 6y ago
  Just in the past week someone posted what appears to be control room video from CNN in 1991 (and others): https://youtu.be/5CxWCWhs-uc https://youtu.be/5CxWCWhs-uc - start of the US air war, https://youtu.be/RpClxMvpEmM https://youtu.be/RpClxMvpEmM - second hour.
ecopoesis 6y ago
CNN launched in 1980. The Gulf war was in 1990. Larry King Live premiered on CNN in 1985. CNN has long been a mix of news and opinion, like all news media ever. That’s why media exists: to push facts and interpretations of those facts. Media is not a charity: William Randolph Hearst and Ted Turner want something for their money: they want to control the narrative. It has always been blatant: you just haven’t been paying attention. Hearst started a war! He was such a reviled figure that one of the greatest movies ever made was made to dunk on him.
rayiner 6y ago
I distinctly remember when CNN jumped the shark. It was during the 2000 election coverage when they started introducing all these computer generated graphics.
- asveikau 6y ago
  I remember their coverage of Monica Lewinsky and related issues being pretty annoying, along with the rest of the networks. I remember when Clinton tried to attack claimed al Qaeda infrastructure after the embassy bombings and made a speech about bin Laden (the first time I heard the name) they asked if it was to distract from Monica. Compared it to the film Wag the Dog.

brobdingnagians 6y ago

I think some news was always like this; but I think investigative journalism like Glenn Greenwald used to be given more time in the primetime news. Really shocking things were uncovered and actually spread (like Norman Gorin's 60 Minutes Report on 1976 swine flu). There is news that is fantastic now, but it is getting pushed further and further out.

codysan 6y ago

News channels do not broadcast 24 hours of news. The majority of programming are personalities, opinions and "recaps." The actual news comes on in hour-long chunks once early in the morning, mid-day and at primetime.

Cthulhu_ 6y ago
I'm not going to say my news is perfect, but it's from a non-commercial / nonpartisan organization, they get money from the government / taxes (which is less than ideal, but their independence is codified I believe), etc. It sticks to the news, professional-like. Switch to the commercial channels (we thankfully don't have major 24 hour news channels) and the news on there has much more er, Personalities, quirkiness, some silly background news, and a weatherman that travels the country to visit events and petting zoos and shit.
- codysan 6y ago
  State-funded media has it's own problems but at least there's some accountability which is effectively nonexistent for large media companies. As long as the free market rewards sensationalism, there will be profit driven "journalism." Ultimately, the general populace needs to be educated on the veracity of news in the digital age; how to spot a misleading headline, and how to corroborate actual expository works.
- specialist 6y ago
  As you well know: The trick is paying attention long enough to determine if sources stay consistent, issue proper corrections & retractions, are intellectually honest, etc. Or if the purveyors are just hacking ratings, for more ad revenue. In the 80s, I eschewed a career in broadcast media. I loved the gear, doing creative stuff, working in the studio. But absolutely hated the business. "If it bleeds, it leads." We've been complaining about outrage engines since the beginning. Social media just made things much much worse.
matwood 6y ago
> The actual news comes on in hour-long chunks once early in the morning, mid-day and at primetime. Yep, even Fox has some 'real' news a few times a day. Or at least they did until Sheppard Smith quit.