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Honestly, I'd be happy to see all political groups - left or right - expunged from Facebook. Politics and social media clearly do not mix, as this year has demo
by king_magic 6y ago
Honestly, I'd be happy to see all political groups - left or right - expunged from Facebook. Politics and social media clearly do not mix, as this year has demonstrated all too brutally well.
- harry8 6y agoThe only way to do that is to expunge Facebook. I'm ok with that but i bet you're not.
- aaomidi 6y agoWhat a stance. Maybe if you advocated for 'no politics on facebook', it would sound better. Social media has given voice to marginalized groups, and people seemingly fear that voice. It's something to take a look at, rather than sweep it under the rug with bans.
- throwaway894345 6y agoIf by “marginalized” we mean “radicals”, then yes. If we mean “minorities”, then you’re probably just propagating the myths that minorities hold far-left-wing views. On the contrary, while minority views skew left-wing, only a minority of minorities hold far-left beliefs and there’s a lot more political diversity among minorities than there is between minority and majority groups. For example, “defund the police” is a popular left-wing mantra, but only a minority of black Americans favor it.
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- aaomidi 6y ago"radicals" that brought us the 40 hour work week. That brought us birth control. That brought us voting rights for all. All of these were "radical" at their time. The only reason they're not anymore is because they have become mainstream. Maybe you should check your assumptions about how life is and read some history of how we got here. "defund the police" is something that has been vocalized for decades, if not centuries. You should ask yourself what has lead up in your education to accept state monopoly on violence, especially when that violence is enacted unfairly against certain minorities. What makes you think that is "normal", but people wanting cops to be less of a massive force in society are "radical".
- throwaway894345 6y agoNevertheless those opinions are not widespread among minority groups, which was the original point.
- aaomidi 6y agoYes. But marginalized doesn't mean racial minorities. Which you've seemed to miss.
- throwaway894345 6y agoI was the one who clarified that to begin with.
- delecti 6y agoAnywhere people are, there is also politics. An argument could be made for getting rid of social media entirely, but as long as people are using social media, politics follow.
- thaumasiotes 6y ago> Anywhere people are, there is also politics. Indeed. I've had a simple model in mind for a while: conflict resolution /\ / \ violent \ /\ / \ commercial \ political This makes sense to me, but I get the feeling very few other people see "politics" this way.
- loceng 6y agoThe problem is when people are able to be blocked/filtered out, so then all rational/reasonable voices are lost from the conversations. If these irrational people had to filter through rational/reasoned long-form and short responses, I'd be curious to know what the outcome would be.
- SV_BubbleTime 6y agoThis is the idea that among a group the reasonable voices will prevail. Seen elsewhere: >One unintended consequence of crushing speech on the right is that sane righties lose the ability to talk lunatics out of crazy. Back in the old days, I had many conversations talking sense into conspiracists from Rothschild to contrails. They listened to me because I’m credible in a way CNN is not. Now, instead, I shut up. I fear we’re about to embark on an unfortunate experiment to rediscover why, precisely, free speech has for 300 years been considered a bedrock necessity for a civilized society. It’s entirely this. It’s not just “now I shut up” though, it’s ”I had no idea there was a group planning on doing xyz, because they were mad about abc, never heard anything about that in my Facebook timeline!” The reasonable voices are either not participating because they have been “nudged” not to, or they are afraid of the consequences of being open and honest about their ideas. Let’s not pretend the upvote/downvote systems aren’t SPECIFICALLY for this.
- cgb223 6y agoI deleted my Facebook on January 1st as a New Years resolution and honestly have never felt mentally better. I just text friends directly and share pictures with people I know would like them. I spend less time checking my phone which adds up to more time to do other things or just staying more on task in general. Try it! If you don’t want to delete all social media, start by deleting all your accounts except the one you use the most to _connect with others_ (not to read news or get opinions). It’s 100% worth it
- geek_at 6y agotrue, all I see on social media is hate (in the comments at least) even if the post itself is genuine or nice. Even in the tech groups. going to leave soon too
- war1025 6y agoAs a less dramatic version of this, just go through and purge your friends list. Also aggressively block / hide / unfollow any "shared" things you come across. For example, on Facebook you can hide something dumb someone shares, and then as part of that process, there is an option to "Hide everything shared from this page". If you spend a half hour going through and doing that, suddenly your feed is much less spammy.
- Analemma_ 6y agoI've been part of several "general-purpose" internet communities that tried having a "no politics" rule. It never, ever works. You can almost make it work if your community is a) dedicated to a single topic, like Hacker News and b) has sufficient human moderation. So hobby forums and subreddits can maybe get away with it, but Facebook - no way.
- goatinaboat 6y agoYou can almost make it work if your community is a) dedicated to a single topic, like Hacker News On any political issue you can easily predict with 100% accuracy whether it will be net up or downvoted on here. And tech is inherently political these days so there’s no escaping it.
- zepto 6y agoThis seems like a political stance that shouldn’t be shared on a social media site like hacker news. /s
- Guest42 6y agoReminds me of the debates as to whether NULL values are values which is an interesting topic.
- t-writescode 6y agoWould you like to start a group that attempts to expunge all political groups from Facebook? A collection of people all holding a particular societal stance who want to further that stance, in an effort for their collective resources and voice to be used in that furtherance?
- throwawaygh 6y agoPrivate mommy groups often have "no politics" rules that the admins genuinely believe they are enforcing, and yet those same groups are anti-vax cess pools. In some you can even find absolutely brutal rants about elected officials such as school board members, which, again, group admins believe are "not political". So. Not sure what "banning all political groups" would even mean.
- dbtc 6y ago“In our age there is no such thing as ‘keeping out of politics.’ All issues are political issues….” ― George Orwell Yet I simultaneously agree with both you and George.
- sudosysgen 6y agoShutting down all social media would be a pretty interesting experiment, wanna make a Facebook group to promote the idea? Oh, wait.
- dbtc 6y agoWake up, Neo. Sudo wake up.