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Brain is doing great and Waymo probably at least hits close.
by antupis 6y ago
Brain is doing great and Waymo probably at least hits close.
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- wutbrodo 6y agoHuh, I used to work next to the Brain team, didn't realize that they started out as Google X. Per their wiki article: > Astro Teller has said that Google Brain paid for the entire cost of Google X even assuming that Waymo has zero expected future profitability.
- jeffbee 6y agoIt's kinda weird to think of brain as an X project. DistBelief was developed out in the open in the main source code repo by people you think of as googlers, like Jeff. So what makes it "X"?
- Judgmentality 6y agoA need to justify X's existence?
- jeffbee 6y agoOr Jeff just wanted it that way. My own personal image of X was that if you had to drive to some old Air Force base to see it, it was X. Since brain was software, it doesn’t fit the model.
- dr_dshiv 6y agoWing?
- Cthulhu_ 6y agoWaymo may / will earn them some money, either they sell it to a crazy big investor, or they license the technology out to a company backed by a crazy big investor.
- derangedHorse 6y agoOr they can expand their existing Uber-like operation to other states and countries and make money by dominating the ride sharing space
- ForHackernews 6y agoIs Brain doing great? From a few things people have said, it sounded like Brain was struggling so Google bought Deep Mind instead. All of the really cutting edge AI stuff has come out of Deep Mind, not Brain.
- ridaj 6y agoThey've talked about it in some cases. See https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/30/16222850/youtube-google-brain-algorithm-video-recommendation-personalized-feed https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/30/16222850/youtube-google-b...
- ForHackernews 6y agoHah! Their successful case-study is the AI driving Youtube's Game Streaming -> Domestic Terrorism recommendation pipeline? Great work, Google Brain team! https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-youtube-pulled-these-men-down-a-vortex-of-far-right-hate https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-youtube-pulled-these-men-d... https://xtechnews.com/2020/01/28/study-of-youtube-comments-finds-evidence-of-radicalization-effect/ https://xtechnews.com/2020/01/28/study-of-youtube-comments-f...
- querez 6y agoI strongly disagree. Without a shadow of a doubt, the most successful/important AI model of recent times is the Transformer (from Brain). As another example, the fastest accelerators, TPUs, are from Brain. If you only look at "amount of output" and use # publications at e.g. NeurIPS as proxy, Brain vastly outperforms Deepmind. Deepmind really exceeds at flashy and showy PR releases like AlphaStar, not so much at laying the groundwork for AI breakthroughs. (Though of course AlphaFold or AlphaGo were great).
- summerlight 6y agoBrain is not a pure research group. It builds infrastructures/platforms for machine learning related tasks and its research part is relatively small compared to the entire organization.
- calebkaiser 6y ago
- swyx 6y agoalright I'm gonna ask the naive question: how exactly does Brain make money? is it offered as an independent product? or is it's incremental contribution to the rest of Google that high? what even is Brain, to Google devs?
- jeffbee 6y agoTo me it's an umbrella for all of the projects that fell out of an initial realization (by Jeff Dean and his circle) that Google's infrastructure was large enough to put into practice a class of older ML ideas that had spent years being thought infeasible. They developed the means of training huge models, then useful models that resulted from that, and follow-on project like TPUs.