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Just so everyone here is aware re: pricing... If you buy through a VAR and/or Dell reps you don't pay the price on the website. What you actually pay is typica
by jaas 6y ago
Just so everyone here is aware re: pricing...
If you buy through a VAR and/or Dell reps you don't pay the price on the website. What you actually pay is typically significantly lower. I don't think anyone actually buys servers like these by just ordering from the website. We (Let's Encrypt) certainly don't.
These are expensive servers, crossing into six digits, but not $200k.
- tyingq 6y agoYes, that's worth noting. The $200k is the list/retail, which nobody would pay for a purchase of this size.
- walrus01 6y agoAt this size/scale I wonder what the actual price would be for a comparable Supermicro system. If I had to make a wild guess, well under half the 200k previously quoted.
- tyingq 6y agoThe NVME drives are what's making it so expensive. Dell retail is $6044 for each of the Intel P4610 6.4TB drives. That's $145k.
- walrus01 6y agoafter 15 seconds of googling, the P4610 U.2 format 6.4TB seems something more like a single unit street price of $2400 from non-Dell vendors. I'm mildly surprised it's that low considering that the U.2 format stuff, for serious servers, will always command a premium price. Probably in the range of $2100 to $2200 per unit from a x86-64 component distributor in moderate quantities.
- tyingq 6y agoJust noticed this in the Dell cart... "42% off list price: use code SERVER42" Doesn't make the price reasonable exactly, but it's kind of funny.
- Dylan16807 6y agoIt looks like performance-wise I can compare it to a couple of 970 EVOs stuck together, and those are $160/TB retail. So from that point of view you're paying more than double.
- paxys 6y agoLiterally the only reason to display a retail price on the website is so sales reps can say "see we are giving you a massive XX% discount!"
- deepstack 6y agoSounds about right.
- midasuni 6y agoI wonder if such “price on application” behaviours is partially what drives services like AWS I’m looking at buying some fortigate firewalls to do some natting, looks like 200Fs will be fine, but even the fortigate sales guys won’t give me a price, I have to go to resellers who also refuse to give prices, which adds friction. Cisco exactly the same. When looking at options, price is at the forefront of my mind, but sales guys want me to choose their company, and even commit to the specific device and numbers, before I even see the price. Almost walked away from the fortigate option until I found avfirewalls which gave me a ballpark idea of what I could afford to implement, and what trade offs. The benefits of the fortigate over a mikrotik were worth it at that price, but it was painful getting the price out and they nearly lost the sale as I assumed it would be 10 times more.
- haltingproblem 6y agoYou can back into the price from used gear. Ebay has them for 3.2k and CDW new for 3.6.
- mschuster91 6y agoThe same bullshit as US medical prices, it seems: - Hospitals have an interest in massively inflated high sticker prices to make as much money as possible from those who pay in cash, e.g. foreigners, and to make the debts look better for collection agencies - basically, assuming the true cost of a procedure is 1000$, when the hospital bills 1000$ and that goes to collections who buy the debt for 10% of value the hospital gets 100$, and if the hospital bills 10k $ and the collections agency pays 10%, the hospital gets 1000$ or the actual cost - Insurances have an interest in high sticker prices because they will negotiate with the hospital to pay true cost + some markup anyway - so with a higher sticker price, they can claim that their insurance saves the buyers a higher percentage - Employers have an interest in high sticker prices because they can market themselves as employers who provide a better health insurance than the competition The people losing out in this gamble are those who cannot afford insurance and have to declare medical bankruptcy. And in the case of hardware or even some "contact sales for a quote" SaaS it's the same end result: the ones who lose out are small businesses (who can't achieve the sales amount to qualify for cheap-ish rates), and the big companies with dedicated account managers have a nice life.
- robk 6y agoThere's a good thread on the sysadmin reddit where folks share the actual prices they're paying
- FlyingSnake 6y agoLink for the curious?
- skylanh 6y agoCurrent thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/kxw7g5/am_i_getting_fucked_friday_january_15th_2021/ https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/kxw7g5/am_i_getti... Past threads: https://www.reddit.com/user/bad0seed/submitted/ https://www.reddit.com/user/bad0seed/submitted/
- FlyingSnake 6y agoThis is Anchoring, a cognitive bias where an individual depends too heavily on an initial piece of information offered to make subsequent judgments during decision making.
- staticassertion 6y agoThis goes for most things. We buy Dell laptops, and the price drops like 20-40% easy.
- giancarlostoro 6y agoWell, now I have to ask an old boss if he called a rep, he didnt spend quite 100k+ but we did get a twenty grand single server from dell about half a decade back or more, and now I'm curious, I think it was about 20 grand, I don't think NVMe's were mainstream at the time, or anywhere damn near affordable. I suspect he did buy it directly off the site, as he has other hardware we'd have gotten (mainly workstations). In a way you could say the ones not calling a rep are subsidizing your cost for the server.