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This smacks of whataboutism to me. No doubt Facebook hosted large amounts of this activity, but it does not negate the fact that Parler did so as well. Amazon

by snoshy 6y ago

This smacks of whataboutism to me. No doubt Facebook hosted large amounts of this activity, but it does not negate the fact that Parler did so as well. Amazon's court filing detailed hundreds of incidents that they had given Parler months to fix.

oh_sigh 6y ago
Crying "whataboutism" is just a meme-y way to shutdown claims of hypocrisy. Husband: Two glasses of white wine in one night honey? You need to cut back for your health's sake Wife: But dear, you drink a handle of vodka every night and have refused any attempts at intervention. Husband: A-ha, classic whataboutism edit: I'd love to respond to the people below me, but HN has decided that one post an hour is too much (despite having a 10 year old account and 4000+ karma)
- snoshy 6y ago
  Facebook isn't even a party in this legal proceeding. The only ones are the court, Amazon, and Parler. Facebook could commit genocide tomorrow, and it would not affect this lawsuit.
- joshuamorton 6y ago
  Where's the hypocrisy? Should AWS drop facebook as a customer? I don't think anyone is suggesting that Facebook is free of guilt, but there is evidence that Facebook does at least try to keep their site clean, and for the most part they do. Its certainly possible that Facebook had (in absolute terms) more violence and planning than Parler, but as a percentage of the overall content, it's much smaller. This doesn't excuse Facebook, they can do better, but it isn't hypocritical to say "the group with 10% violent content that tacitly encourages it isn't okay, while the group with .1% violent content that actively innovates in trying to keep things clean is okay". Of course, that's only true if FB is actively innovating, and, well, that's questionable (Yann Lecun has made some concerning statements about Facebook's role, or lack thereof, in radicalization).
  - takeda 6y ago
    Facebook and Twitter also have their own data centers, so it's not like AWS had to chose between Facebook, Parler or Twitter.

by snoshy 6y ago

oh_sigh 6y ago

Crying "whataboutism" is just a meme-y way to shutdown claims of hypocrisy. Husband: Two glasses of white wine in one night honey? You need to cut back for your health's sake Wife: But dear, you drink a handle of vodka every night and have refused any attempts at intervention. Husband: A-ha, classic whataboutism edit: I'd love to respond to the people below me, but HN has decided that one post an hour is too much (despite having a 10 year old account and 4000+ karma)

snoshy 6y ago
Facebook isn't even a party in this legal proceeding. The only ones are the court, Amazon, and Parler. Facebook could commit genocide tomorrow, and it would not affect this lawsuit.
joshuamorton 6y ago
Where's the hypocrisy? Should AWS drop facebook as a customer? I don't think anyone is suggesting that Facebook is free of guilt, but there is evidence that Facebook does at least try to keep their site clean, and for the most part they do. Its certainly possible that Facebook had (in absolute terms) more violence and planning than Parler, but as a percentage of the overall content, it's much smaller. This doesn't excuse Facebook, they can do better, but it isn't hypocritical to say "the group with 10% violent content that tacitly encourages it isn't okay, while the group with .1% violent content that actively innovates in trying to keep things clean is okay". Of course, that's only true if FB is actively innovating, and, well, that's questionable (Yann Lecun has made some concerning statements about Facebook's role, or lack thereof, in radicalization).
- takeda 6y ago
  Facebook and Twitter also have their own data centers, so it's not like AWS had to chose between Facebook, Parler or Twitter.