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Indeed. I think Craig is a fraud. I'm just dumbfounded why Gavin --a person I admire from intial days and who is probably person n.2 after satoshi in terms of b

Indeed. I think Craig is a fraud. I'm just dumbfounded why Gavin --a person I admire from intial days and who is probably person n.2 after satoshi in terms of bitcoin actual initial lines of code written -- was so easily fooled.

lawn 6y ago
Yeah it's hard to understand. Gavin's good nature of assuming good intentions from anyone is sure to play a big role. Also worth to remember that anyone can get bamboozled, even if you're highly intelligent and knowledgeable in a certain area. Just look at how many cult followers there are in the world.
- vbezhenar 6y ago
  It is easy to understand. Gavin wanted to say what he said. It does not mean that he thinks this is true. He just wanted those words to be out of his mouth. Now how to interpret this fact is another question. May be he wanted to distract public focus from another person. May be he was paid to say so. May be he was bored and did it for lolz.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
Just because people demonstrate remarkable skill or intelligence does not make them immune to the same cognitive biases shared by every human being on the planet. We are all susceptible to being fooled, and a lot more easily than we probably like to imagine.
_jal 6y ago
It is usually easier to con smart people. Or in the alternative, being a bit thick can provide protection against fast talk.
- SkyMarshal 6y ago
  Also book smart vs street smart. Gavin is book smart, but not street smart. Street smart people don’t get taken by conmen with flawed cons.
marcosdumay 6y ago
Maybe because he didn't expect anybody to do a lot of work to convince him of a basically worthless fact. How long have you spent verifying your own computing platform? However it is, it is never impossible that somebody can corrupt it and fool you about something.
- CydeWeys 6y ago
  > he didn't expect anybody to do a lot of work to convince him of a basically worthless fact. Being Satoshi seems like the exact opposite of a basically worthless fact. Gavin was just being gullible. Being a good early developer on an important project isn't mutually exclusive with being gullible to social engineering.
  - marcosdumay 6y ago
    What does he lose if he guesses wrong?
    - brohee 6y ago
      Reputation obviously... He'll forever be "the guy who believed Craig"
    - Melting_Harps 6y ago
      > What does he lose if he guesses wrong? Total credibility loss in the BTC community. I could some how look past his indiscretions: calling himself 'chief Scientist' of an open source project, gate-keeping antics for pull requests, attempted forks with Hearn et al, his involvement with the foundation... He was still critical to the project for many years and not beyond redemption as open source project typically fork into other things for experimentation purposes that grow the project in the long term--Linux distros being a prime example. But when he went public that he bought faketoshi's narrative it was clear he was beyond help, and that his meeting at the NSA was more than what any of us ever assumed and he was so compromised that nothing could help that anymore. I hope he is mentally well, and I'm sure he has enough money to do what ever he wants in Life if he just kept a fraction of his coins, but other than I never want to see or hear from Gavin ever again.
153791098c 6y ago
He probably wasn't fooled, or actually, he got screwed by both sides. He knew CSW wasn't satoshi, also he knew adam back was satoshi but couldn't tell anyone because of the NDA he signed (adam had long been compromised at that point). I think he felt the only way to save the project was to point to someone else being satoshi that did believe in the original bitcoin = p2p cash narrative, but that obviously backfired. Craig also did a complete 180 on his 'beliefs' and made everything he touched proprietary, patented and anti-freedom and privacy. Hard to believe that happened without any external influences as well. The history of bitcoin is a very interesting one. The video series of unmasking satoshi nakamoto from barely sociable is a great first step into the rabbit hole. But i'm warning you, the deeper you go the weirder it becomes.
- gruez 6y ago
  >also he knew adam back was satoshi but couldn't tell anyone because of the NDA he signed (adam had long been compromised at that point). uhh what?
  - 153791098c 6y ago
    After you watch the socialy bareable video it would probably make more sense. Makes it pretty clear that adam is satoshi (i would say with a 99% certainty). Adam says completely different things about bitcoin today than satoshi did all those years ago. It's not definite that he was compromised but him taking back control over the project with blockstream and the direction he steered it in makes it pretty clear to me. On Gavin, that's also explained pretty well in the video, also this reddit quote from gavin says more than enough for me (this was under a post named "How Craig Wright probably tricked Gavin Andresen"): "I won't violate people's privacy or repeat things told to me under non-disclosure agreements, so I'm stuck-- I'm not going to say anything more, except I suspect someday the full story will come out (and it'll be made into a movie). Of course, everything I was told could be a lie, and even professional magicians can be fooled sometimes (ever seen Penn & Teller's Fool Us show ?)."
    - lawn 6y ago

lawn 6y ago

Yeah it's hard to understand. Gavin's good nature of assuming good intentions from anyone is sure to play a big role. Also worth to remember that anyone can get bamboozled, even if you're highly intelligent and knowledgeable in a certain area. Just look at how many cult followers there are in the world.

vbezhenar 6y ago
It is easy to understand. Gavin wanted to say what he said. It does not mean that he thinks this is true. He just wanted those words to be out of his mouth. Now how to interpret this fact is another question. May be he wanted to distract public focus from another person. May be he was paid to say so. May be he was bored and did it for lolz.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago

Just because people demonstrate remarkable skill or intelligence does not make them immune to the same cognitive biases shared by every human being on the planet. We are all susceptible to being fooled, and a lot more easily than we probably like to imagine.

_jal 6y ago

It is usually easier to con smart people. Or in the alternative, being a bit thick can provide protection against fast talk.

SkyMarshal 6y ago
Also book smart vs street smart. Gavin is book smart, but not street smart. Street smart people don’t get taken by conmen with flawed cons.

marcosdumay 6y ago

Maybe because he didn't expect anybody to do a lot of work to convince him of a basically worthless fact. How long have you spent verifying your own computing platform? However it is, it is never impossible that somebody can corrupt it and fool you about something.

CydeWeys 6y ago
> he didn't expect anybody to do a lot of work to convince him of a basically worthless fact. Being Satoshi seems like the exact opposite of a basically worthless fact. Gavin was just being gullible. Being a good early developer on an important project isn't mutually exclusive with being gullible to social engineering.
- marcosdumay 6y ago
  What does he lose if he guesses wrong?
  - brohee 6y ago
    Reputation obviously... He'll forever be "the guy who believed Craig"
  - Melting_Harps 6y ago
    > What does he lose if he guesses wrong? Total credibility loss in the BTC community. I could some how look past his indiscretions: calling himself 'chief Scientist' of an open source project, gate-keeping antics for pull requests, attempted forks with Hearn et al, his involvement with the foundation... He was still critical to the project for many years and not beyond redemption as open source project typically fork into other things for experimentation purposes that grow the project in the long term--Linux distros being a prime example. But when he went public that he bought faketoshi's narrative it was clear he was beyond help, and that his meeting at the NSA was more than what any of us ever assumed and he was so compromised that nothing could help that anymore. I hope he is mentally well, and I'm sure he has enough money to do what ever he wants in Life if he just kept a fraction of his coins, but other than I never want to see or hear from Gavin ever again.

153791098c 6y ago

He probably wasn't fooled, or actually, he got screwed by both sides. He knew CSW wasn't satoshi, also he knew adam back was satoshi but couldn't tell anyone because of the NDA he signed (adam had long been compromised at that point). I think he felt the only way to save the project was to point to someone else being satoshi that did believe in the original bitcoin = p2p cash narrative, but that obviously backfired. Craig also did a complete 180 on his 'beliefs' and made everything he touched proprietary, patented and anti-freedom and privacy. Hard to believe that happened without any external influences as well. The history of bitcoin is a very interesting one. The video series of unmasking satoshi nakamoto from barely sociable is a great first step into the rabbit hole. But i'm warning you, the deeper you go the weirder it becomes.

gruez 6y ago
>also he knew adam back was satoshi but couldn't tell anyone because of the NDA he signed (adam had long been compromised at that point). uhh what?
- 153791098c 6y ago
  After you watch the socialy bareable video it would probably make more sense. Makes it pretty clear that adam is satoshi (i would say with a 99% certainty). Adam says completely different things about bitcoin today than satoshi did all those years ago. It's not definite that he was compromised but him taking back control over the project with blockstream and the direction he steered it in makes it pretty clear to me. On Gavin, that's also explained pretty well in the video, also this reddit quote from gavin says more than enough for me (this was under a post named "How Craig Wright probably tricked Gavin Andresen"): "I won't violate people's privacy or repeat things told to me under non-disclosure agreements, so I'm stuck-- I'm not going to say anything more, except I suspect someday the full story will come out (and it'll be made into a movie). Of course, everything I was told could be a lie, and even professional magicians can be fooled sometimes (ever seen Penn & Teller's Fool Us show ?)."
  - lawn 6y ago