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I doubt they scan H.N. comments for input or come across them. If I had wanted to reach them, I would certainly do wiser to simply send them a feature requæst

I doubt they scan H.N. comments for input or come across them. If I had wanted to reach them, I would certainly do wiser to simply send them a feature requæst bug report.

inetknght 6y ago
Many developers and executives do participate in social media including Hacker News. I have seen plenty of tech-related fixes and features that come directly from Hacker News comments. In all I think the best feedback I can give you would have been to include a `/s` to indicate sarcasm and jest.
- Dylan16807 6y ago
  > Many developers and executives do participate in social media including Hacker News. I have seen plenty of tech-related fixes and features that come directly from Hacker News comments. But the comment wasn't bringing up anything new about GNOME. There is no information someone from GNOME could get from that post, no matter how it was worded. It is not a constructive vs. snark situation. > In all I think the best feedback I can give you would have been to include a `/s` to indicate sarcasm and jest. It seems like the same argument would have happened anyway, so eh.
  - cycloptic 6y ago
    To be clear, my request is to avoid rehashing old arguments that have gone nowhere, and stick to providing new information when we can.
cycloptic 6y ago
I am sorry if I'm being pushy, it just gets extremely tiring to see all the same type of comments for years on places like here and on /r/linux. You don't have to listen to me if you don't want, it's just my humble plea.
- traverseda 6y ago
  This seems like an obvious response to gnome's poor behavior in the open-source ecosystem, they've been been burning good will among a large group of developers for a long time now. I think the solution to that problem isn't to ask people nicely to stop being pissed off, it's to fix the underlying problems/attitudes.
  - cycloptic 6y ago
    I am not saying don't be pissed off, I am saying please channel that energy to help to fix the underlying problems/attitudes. I can give suggestions on how to do this, if you're interested to hear it, so we can maybe have a chance to finally get some issues fixed. Beating the same dead horse going on years now is just not going to help this, regardless of what your perceptions of certain developer's attitudes are. If complaining about lost goodwill was ever a substitute for being persuasive and getting things done and taking initiative to restore the goodwill, it would have worked years ago, and we wouldn't be here talking about this now. And just to be clear, harassing developers who have said "no I don't want to work on feature XYZ" is never acceptable and never has good results. If somebody says no and is just not interested, we leave them alone and we find someone else who does want to work on that feature.
    - traverseda 6y ago
      Alright, I want this type-ahead feature. https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/-/issues/244 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/-/issues/244 Not having type-ahead, instead using gnome's search, makes GTK apps really annoying for me. Right now I have a solution that involves patching, but presuming that my ultimate goal is just that one concessions, just have a flag buried somewhere that would enable type-ahead instead of search, how do you suggest I get that done? I think that would go a long way towards demonstrating that gnome can be reasoned with, is worth even approaching or talking to. Could we hire a developer? Set up crowdfunding? Can someone give me a quote and I can see what resources I can bring to bear on the problem? I'd be open to other suggestions on how to channel that energy productively, but I really think if they can't compromise on that one feature that's important to a bunch of people then they're probably not going to be worth dealing with. Feel free to send me an email, at gmail.

I doubt they scan H.N. comments for input or come across them. If I had wanted to reach them, I would certainly do wiser to simply send them a feature requæst bug report.

inetknght 6y ago

Many developers and executives do participate in social media including Hacker News. I have seen plenty of tech-related fixes and features that come directly from Hacker News comments. In all I think the best feedback I can give you would have been to include a `/s` to indicate sarcasm and jest.

Dylan16807 6y ago
> Many developers and executives do participate in social media including Hacker News. I have seen plenty of tech-related fixes and features that come directly from Hacker News comments. But the comment wasn't bringing up anything new about GNOME. There is no information someone from GNOME could get from that post, no matter how it was worded. It is not a constructive vs. snark situation. > In all I think the best feedback I can give you would have been to include a `/s` to indicate sarcasm and jest. It seems like the same argument would have happened anyway, so eh.
- cycloptic 6y ago
  To be clear, my request is to avoid rehashing old arguments that have gone nowhere, and stick to providing new information when we can.

cycloptic 6y ago

I am sorry if I'm being pushy, it just gets extremely tiring to see all the same type of comments for years on places like here and on /r/linux. You don't have to listen to me if you don't want, it's just my humble plea.

traverseda 6y ago
This seems like an obvious response to gnome's poor behavior in the open-source ecosystem, they've been been burning good will among a large group of developers for a long time now. I think the solution to that problem isn't to ask people nicely to stop being pissed off, it's to fix the underlying problems/attitudes.
- cycloptic 6y ago
  I am not saying don't be pissed off, I am saying please channel that energy to help to fix the underlying problems/attitudes. I can give suggestions on how to do this, if you're interested to hear it, so we can maybe have a chance to finally get some issues fixed. Beating the same dead horse going on years now is just not going to help this, regardless of what your perceptions of certain developer's attitudes are. If complaining about lost goodwill was ever a substitute for being persuasive and getting things done and taking initiative to restore the goodwill, it would have worked years ago, and we wouldn't be here talking about this now. And just to be clear, harassing developers who have said "no I don't want to work on feature XYZ" is never acceptable and never has good results. If somebody says no and is just not interested, we leave them alone and we find someone else who does want to work on that feature.
  - traverseda 6y ago
    Alright, I want this type-ahead feature. https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/-/issues/244 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/-/issues/244 Not having type-ahead, instead using gnome's search, makes GTK apps really annoying for me. Right now I have a solution that involves patching, but presuming that my ultimate goal is just that one concessions, just have a flag buried somewhere that would enable type-ahead instead of search, how do you suggest I get that done? I think that would go a long way towards demonstrating that gnome can be reasoned with, is worth even approaching or talking to. Could we hire a developer? Set up crowdfunding? Can someone give me a quote and I can see what resources I can bring to bear on the problem? I'd be open to other suggestions on how to channel that energy productively, but I really think if they can't compromise on that one feature that's important to a bunch of people then they're probably not going to be worth dealing with. Feel free to send me an email, at gmail.