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This argument is misleading because even if it’s not the full 7-9, it is certainly greater than 0. We can argue what the exact percentage is, but saying there w

This argument is misleading because even if it’s not the full 7-9, it is certainly greater than 0. We can argue what the exact percentage is, but saying there was 0 lost sales is just as wrong as saying 7-9 lost sales.

monksy 6y ago
It is slightly more, yes. However, you're going to have a hard time convincing me that it's as significant as they claim. The people buying used games don't feel that the game is worth risking the new game price. Also, it gives them more freedom to sell if they didn't like it. The digital platform is about locking the user in no matter what. No chargebacks, no ownership, etc. Do a charge back Sony bans your console and locks you out of the games you "purchased". End of.
- hobs 6y ago
  The middlemen are just as bad, they'll buy a game for a dollar and turn around and sell it for 20, so I dont really care either way - steam sales are saving me me much more than resales ever paid me back.
  - freeone3000 6y ago
    Except you can get a refund for a game from GameStop without being banned. You can sell it back for some, non-zero amount of money. If you don't like their price, you can try selling it yourself. That's a huge swath of ownership rights given up for a 15% discount.
- ABeeSea 6y ago
  I think it’s larger than you claim. If someone is willing to pay for new, but offered a lower price for used, they will likely pick the used copy. And yea chargebacks aren’t a mechanism for getting a refund. They are essentially a fraud accusation. Try doing a chargeback with amazon on a large purchase and see how long your account stays in good standing.
  - monksy 6y ago
    When you are sold a game that does not work and not refund, there is fraud. (I.e. Cyberpunk PS4) Or how there are only only games that have a really poor effort to make a non-online portion. (Those are dependent upon the PSN subscription). The only time Sony gives money back is when their reputation is majorly hurt. Amazon from my experience doesn't tend to let it get this far. (Although they are terrible in their own right)
  - Dylan16807 6y ago
    > Try doing a chargeback with amazon on a large purchase and see how long your account stays in good standing. That's the problem; when there's a legitimate cause for chargeback you still can't do one, because the big platform is going to retaliate.
    - ABeeSea 6y ago
      Why would a company keep doing business with someone that went to their bank and accused that company of fraud? Making a chargeback is a serious claim of malfeasance by the company that has to then be arbitrated by the third party bank. It’s not a mechanism for getting a refund; it’s an accusation of fraud who’s remedy may include a refund.
      - Dylan16807 6y ago
        The problem is company you bought from through the big platform did fraud, and the platform was too lazy to care. It's fine being blacklisted from that tiny fraudulent company. It's anti-consumer when a legitimate chargeback can't be filed because some giant company processed the credit card and will bring their wrath upon you.
guywhocodes 6y ago
And console game prices already reflect this, it is priced in by design. Everyone in this business collectively chose this model together.

monksy 6y ago

It is slightly more, yes. However, you're going to have a hard time convincing me that it's as significant as they claim. The people buying used games don't feel that the game is worth risking the new game price. Also, it gives them more freedom to sell if they didn't like it. The digital platform is about locking the user in no matter what. No chargebacks, no ownership, etc. Do a charge back Sony bans your console and locks you out of the games you "purchased". End of.

hobs 6y ago
The middlemen are just as bad, they'll buy a game for a dollar and turn around and sell it for 20, so I dont really care either way - steam sales are saving me me much more than resales ever paid me back.
- freeone3000 6y ago
  Except you can get a refund for a game from GameStop without being banned. You can sell it back for some, non-zero amount of money. If you don't like their price, you can try selling it yourself. That's a huge swath of ownership rights given up for a 15% discount.
ABeeSea 6y ago
I think it’s larger than you claim. If someone is willing to pay for new, but offered a lower price for used, they will likely pick the used copy. And yea chargebacks aren’t a mechanism for getting a refund. They are essentially a fraud accusation. Try doing a chargeback with amazon on a large purchase and see how long your account stays in good standing.
- monksy 6y ago
  When you are sold a game that does not work and not refund, there is fraud. (I.e. Cyberpunk PS4) Or how there are only only games that have a really poor effort to make a non-online portion. (Those are dependent upon the PSN subscription). The only time Sony gives money back is when their reputation is majorly hurt. Amazon from my experience doesn't tend to let it get this far. (Although they are terrible in their own right)
- Dylan16807 6y ago
  > Try doing a chargeback with amazon on a large purchase and see how long your account stays in good standing. That's the problem; when there's a legitimate cause for chargeback you still can't do one, because the big platform is going to retaliate.
  - ABeeSea 6y ago
    Why would a company keep doing business with someone that went to their bank and accused that company of fraud? Making a chargeback is a serious claim of malfeasance by the company that has to then be arbitrated by the third party bank. It’s not a mechanism for getting a refund; it’s an accusation of fraud who’s remedy may include a refund.
    - Dylan16807 6y ago
      The problem is company you bought from through the big platform did fraud, and the platform was too lazy to care. It's fine being blacklisted from that tiny fraudulent company. It's anti-consumer when a legitimate chargeback can't be filed because some giant company processed the credit card and will bring their wrath upon you.

guywhocodes 6y ago

And console game prices already reflect this, it is priced in by design. Everyone in this business collectively chose this model together.