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Wait, so parked Teslas always record videos of me when I walk by? That does not sound legal in quite a few places.

aronpye 6y ago
You’re in a public place, have no reasonable expectation to privacy, and the recording is not intrusive, so perfectly legal.
- lights0123 6y ago
  "quite a few places" can mean "not the US".
- harperlee 6y ago
  At least in Spain* it does not work like that, there are very stringent limitations on what you can record on the street, e.g. through dashcams or tesla sentinel mode: https://www.aepd.es/sites/default/files/2019-09/informe-juridico-rgpd-camaras-on-board.pdf https://www.aepd.es/sites/default/files/2019-09/informe-juri... For example, you can't use dashcam recordings of an accident in trial. * And I don't want to spend a bunch of time reading law but quite sure this is very tied in with GDPR, so I'd say that most probably in all Europe everything you record on the street is still subject to the privacy rights of whomever you record.
  - andai 6y ago
    > you can't use dashcam recordings of an accident in trial. Doesn't this entirely defeat the purpose of having a dashcam?
    - dharmab 6y ago
      No, because an insurance claim is usually not a trial.
    - sml156 6y ago
      For most people yes, If your willing to take matters into your own hands no.
  - akadruid1 6y ago
    I don't think it's always part how GDPR is implemented in national laws. I believe it's admissable in court here in the UK, certainly my dashcam footage of a crash caused by a drink driver in 2019 was collected as evidence by police officers at the scene.
    - harperlee 6y ago
      In Europe there are directives and regulations, and the former get transposed into local law, whereas regulations apply directly. The R in GDPR comes from regulation :)
  - TwoBit 6y ago
    > you can't use dashcam recordings of an accident in trial. What's the rationale to that? Concern over manipulated videos? That would seem dumb if the video files are transferred at the accident (which happens in USA).
    - harperlee 6y ago
      You can’t record people without their consent, I believe. No idea about the limitations of this for e.g. security cameras! But I’m sure for dashcams.
- xboxnolifes 6y ago
  many places cars are stationary are not public places, and still visible to pedestrians.
x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dos8fRzBH24 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dos8fRzBH24
xeromal 6y ago
It's not legal in Germany and probably a few other countries but its perfectly legal here in the US.
- sumedh 6y ago
  So are the cameras in Teslas in Germany disabled?
  - xeromal 6y ago
    It might be the ones sold in germany. You may be able to bring one in with it enabled.
  - xeromal 6y ago
    https://www.dw.com/en/dashcams-in-germany-permissible-in-court-court-rules/a-43788494 https://www.dw.com/en/dashcams-in-germany-permissible-in-cou... Looks like it has been updated for a few years.
mumblemumble 6y ago
In the USA, as long as you're not recording audio and it's not in a place where people have a reasonable expectation of privacy, clandestine video surveillance is A-OK.
- lotsofpulp 6y ago
  I don’t know why cars don’t come with built in dash cams yet. Seems like there is huge demand for it.
  - fletchowns 6y ago
    I think it's only a matter of time before all new cars come with front and rear facing cameras. I think the next step after that would be some sort of reporting system. Seems kinda crazy I can click a button to report somebody cheating in a video game but I can't press a button in my car to report soembody for extremely unsafe driving.
  - cortesoft 6y ago
    Teslas do. Just plug in a USB drive and it starts recording.
    - filoeleven 6y ago
      That’s a good move. I have a Subaru with the EyeSight system for lane detection, adaptive cruise control, etc. It’s annoying that the cameras are RIGHT THERE and always on, and they even store a 22-second history that can be accessed by police or insurance in case of a crash, but I, as the vehicle owner with a vested interest in access to the feed, have no way of tapping into it and storing it for myself.
      - mandelbrotwurst 6y ago
        How do police or insurance access it?
        6y ago

You’re in a public place, have no reasonable expectation to privacy, and the recording is not intrusive, so perfectly legal.

lights0123 6y ago
"quite a few places" can mean "not the US".
harperlee 6y ago
At least in Spain* it does not work like that, there are very stringent limitations on what you can record on the street, e.g. through dashcams or tesla sentinel mode: https://www.aepd.es/sites/default/files/2019-09/informe-juridico-rgpd-camaras-on-board.pdf https://www.aepd.es/sites/default/files/2019-09/informe-juri... For example, you can't use dashcam recordings of an accident in trial. * And I don't want to spend a bunch of time reading law but quite sure this is very tied in with GDPR, so I'd say that most probably in all Europe everything you record on the street is still subject to the privacy rights of whomever you record.
- andai 6y ago
  > you can't use dashcam recordings of an accident in trial. Doesn't this entirely defeat the purpose of having a dashcam?
  - dharmab 6y ago
    No, because an insurance claim is usually not a trial.
  - sml156 6y ago
    For most people yes, If your willing to take matters into your own hands no.
- akadruid1 6y ago
  I don't think it's always part how GDPR is implemented in national laws. I believe it's admissable in court here in the UK, certainly my dashcam footage of a crash caused by a drink driver in 2019 was collected as evidence by police officers at the scene.
  - harperlee 6y ago
    In Europe there are directives and regulations, and the former get transposed into local law, whereas regulations apply directly. The R in GDPR comes from regulation :)
- TwoBit 6y ago
  > you can't use dashcam recordings of an accident in trial. What's the rationale to that? Concern over manipulated videos? That would seem dumb if the video files are transferred at the accident (which happens in USA).
  - harperlee 6y ago
    You can’t record people without their consent, I believe. No idea about the limitations of this for e.g. security cameras! But I’m sure for dashcams.
xboxnolifes 6y ago
many places cars are stationary are not public places, and still visible to pedestrians.

x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dos8fRzBH24 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dos8fRzBH24

xeromal 6y ago

It's not legal in Germany and probably a few other countries but its perfectly legal here in the US.

sumedh 6y ago
So are the cameras in Teslas in Germany disabled?
- xeromal 6y ago
  It might be the ones sold in germany. You may be able to bring one in with it enabled.
- xeromal 6y ago
  https://www.dw.com/en/dashcams-in-germany-permissible-in-court-court-rules/a-43788494 https://www.dw.com/en/dashcams-in-germany-permissible-in-cou... Looks like it has been updated for a few years.

mumblemumble 6y ago

In the USA, as long as you're not recording audio and it's not in a place where people have a reasonable expectation of privacy, clandestine video surveillance is A-OK.

lotsofpulp 6y ago
I don’t know why cars don’t come with built in dash cams yet. Seems like there is huge demand for it.
- fletchowns 6y ago
  I think it's only a matter of time before all new cars come with front and rear facing cameras. I think the next step after that would be some sort of reporting system. Seems kinda crazy I can click a button to report somebody cheating in a video game but I can't press a button in my car to report soembody for extremely unsafe driving.
- cortesoft 6y ago
  Teslas do. Just plug in a USB drive and it starts recording.
  - filoeleven 6y ago
    That’s a good move. I have a Subaru with the EyeSight system for lane detection, adaptive cruise control, etc. It’s annoying that the cameras are RIGHT THERE and always on, and they even store a 22-second history that can be accessed by police or insurance in case of a crash, but I, as the vehicle owner with a vested interest in access to the feed, have no way of tapping into it and storing it for myself.
    - mandelbrotwurst 6y ago
      How do police or insurance access it?
      - 6y ago