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I'd rather see a tracking system attached to several parts of the vehicle. This would allow law enforcement to track the vehicle, and/or the parts if the vehic
by josefresco 6y ago
I'd rather see a tracking system attached to several parts of the vehicle. This would allow law enforcement to track the vehicle, and/or the parts if the vehicle is broken down and sold.
In the United States we have "LoJack" but it's not a standard feature rather a dealer upsell.
- MaxBarraclough 6y agoYou could buy a tracker device for this purpose. Presumably it would be possible to repurpose an old smartphone to do the job. There's also the question of who you want tracking your movements.
- nexuist 6y agoTesla probably has the best solution to this so far; they have cameras around the car that record movement and send it to the cloud. A tracking system would work only until thieves figure out how to disable it; at which point it just becomes another part to sell. The Tesla solution is nice because it live streams the carjacking to the owner, enabling them to pick out details about the thief that could be useful to arresting them. Of course, Teslas also have GPS tracking on top of this.
- dont__panic 6y agoWait, so parked Teslas always record videos of me when I walk by? That does not sound legal in quite a few places.
- aronpye 6y agoYou’re in a public place, have no reasonable expectation to privacy, and the recording is not intrusive, so perfectly legal.
- lights0123 6y ago"quite a few places" can mean "not the US".
- harperlee 6y agoAt least in Spain* it does not work like that, there are very stringent limitations on what you can record on the street, e.g. through dashcams or tesla sentinel mode: https://www.aepd.es/sites/default/files/2019-09/informe-juridico-rgpd-camaras-on-board.pdf https://www.aepd.es/sites/default/files/2019-09/informe-juri... For example, you can't use dashcam recordings of an accident in trial. * And I don't want to spend a bunch of time reading law but quite sure this is very tied in with GDPR, so I'd say that most probably in all Europe everything you record on the street is still subject to the privacy rights of whomever you record.
- andai 6y ago> you can't use dashcam recordings of an accident in trial. Doesn't this entirely defeat the purpose of having a dashcam?
- akadruid1 6y agoI don't think it's always part how GDPR is implemented in national laws. I believe it's admissable in court here in the UK, certainly my dashcam footage of a crash caused by a drink driver in 2019 was collected as evidence by police officers at the scene.
- harperlee 6y agoIn Europe there are directives and regulations, and the former get transposed into local law, whereas regulations apply directly. The R in GDPR comes from regulation :)
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- xboxnolifes 6y agomany places cars are stationary are not public places, and still visible to pedestrians.
- x86_64Ubuntu 6y agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dos8fRzBH24 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dos8fRzBH24
- xeromal 6y agoIt's not legal in Germany and probably a few other countries but its perfectly legal here in the US.
- sumedh 6y agoSo are the cameras in Teslas in Germany disabled?
- xeromal 6y agoIt might be the ones sold in germany. You may be able to bring one in with it enabled.
- xeromal 6y agohttps://www.dw.com/en/dashcams-in-germany-permissible-in-court-court-rules/a-43788494 https://www.dw.com/en/dashcams-in-germany-permissible-in-cou... Looks like it has been updated for a few years.
- mumblemumble 6y agoIn the USA, as long as you're not recording audio and it's not in a place where people have a reasonable expectation of privacy, clandestine video surveillance is A-OK.
- lotsofpulp 6y agoI don’t know why cars don’t come with built in dash cams yet. Seems like there is huge demand for it.
- fletchowns 6y agoI think it's only a matter of time before all new cars come with front and rear facing cameras. I think the next step after that would be some sort of reporting system. Seems kinda crazy I can click a button to report somebody cheating in a video game but I can't press a button in my car to report soembody for extremely unsafe driving.
- cortesoft 6y agoTeslas do. Just plug in a USB drive and it starts recording.
- filoeleven 6y agoThat’s a good move. I have a Subaru with the EyeSight system for lane detection, adaptive cruise control, etc. It’s annoying that the cameras are RIGHT THERE and always on, and they even store a 22-second history that can be accessed by police or insurance in case of a crash, but I, as the vehicle owner with a vested interest in access to the feed, have no way of tapping into it and storing it for myself.
- mandelbrotwurst 6y agoHow do police or insurance access it?
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- moistbar 6y agoYou can't stream video from the car to the app, not yet at least. It's rumored to be coming in a future update, but it's not here yet.
- bdowling 6y agoThere is at least one Youtube channel, Wham Bam Teslacam [0], dedicated to publishing Tesla camera recordings of thieves, vandals, and other incidents. [0] https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbMoDtZ6Ani-eyHzCvxeVCw https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbMoDtZ6Ani-eyHzCvxeVCw
- overscore 6y agoThis implies that Tesla can view the vicinity and location of your car at any time. Is that true? That would completely destroy any desire to own one.
- lotsofpulp 6y agoThis is one example of when it’s useful: https://www.reddit.com/r/SALEM/comments/l0nohv/mischievous_at_winco/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SALEM/comments/l0nohv/mischievous_a...
- overscore 6y agoI don't think the security benefits - while considerable - would be enough to allow a car manufacturer to surveil everywhere I go.
- caf 6y agoFor the video clips, you can control whether any are sent to Tesla under the data sharing options on the in-car menu system. Video is only recorded locally if Sentry mode is enabled (when parked) or Dashcam is enabled (when driving). Sentry mode prevents the car from going to sleep / opening the HV contactor, which costs a small amount of battery if it's enabled for long periods. The car's location is accessible through the app, so this is sent through Tesla's servers.
- ggreer 6y ago> This implies that Tesla can view the vicinity and location of your car at any time. Is that true? I don't think the cars have the bandwidth to stream it in realtime, but they do upload bits of camera and telemetry data to help train Tesla's self-driving software. The car has settings that let you opt out of this data sharing. Regarding location data: That's true for most cars sold today and it isn't particularly new. How else would cars have turn-by-turn directions? I think it was 2011 when GM began storing GPS data from cars with OnStar. Even if you avoided owning a car with GPS, there's still the issue of automatic license plate readers. These days, the only way to guarantee that your drive won't be tracked is to steal someone else's car. If you're like most people, you carry your phone with you. That means that Apple/Google knows where you are. Ditto for your phone company and probably quite a few other companies that have apps on your phone. And if you don't have a phone or a car, you probably walk past a bunch of cameras every day (including cameras on self-driving vehicles). These cameras will only get smarter and more numerous. Privacy is dead. Most people just don't know it yet.
- pound 6y agoI haven't heard that they send it to the cloud, do you have more details on it? And for even locally - you need to buy ssd and plug it in to start recording video from sentry/dashboard.
- neuralRiot 6y agoIt seems to me that the author of the article writes about something he has no idea, newer car alarms add real time tracking, silent alarms, geofencing, speed warnings, remote start and more. Some cars have those features as an option but sometimes you buy an used car and retrofitting them is impossible or costs half what you paid for the vehicle.
- sparrish 6y agoWhich can all be defeated by the car thief carrying a $100 box that blocks all kinds of wireless signals (GPS, LoJack, 4G, etc)
- reaperducer 6y ago90% of car thieves aren't going to invest $100 in a fuzz box. If they had $100, they'd blow it on skag and not need to steal the car.
- thesmok 6y agoFrom the comments on this post, it seems to me there's a big difference between US and EU car thieves. At least in Eastern Europe and Russia thieves are not just opportunists. They are organized gangs and they've got lots of 007-style equipment. Here the stock alarm/immobilizer in cars is considered worthless. If you want to keep having a car you either park it on secured lot, or install a good security system.
- SulfurHexaFluri 6y agoThe future is probably going to involve simply having all cameras on the streets look out for the numberplate as soon as its reported missing.
- reaperducer 6y agoI'd rather see a tracking system attached to several parts of the vehicle. I'd rather not give law enforcement or anyone else the ability to "track" me on a whim. If it's stolen, I'll take the hit on my deductible and also keep my privacy. If it becomes ubiquitous, is only a matter of time before it becomes mandatory. Or, the car maker sells your data and pretends that doing so helps offset the cost of making the car, the way the TV makers do. That said, my wife's car came with a tracker. It was free when we bought the car. Around the fourth year, we got a letter in the mail stating that it would suddenly cost $40/month, and if we didn't pay, we could no longer be tracked. Sounded good to me!
- lotsofpulp 6y ago> I'd rather not give law enforcement or anyone else the ability to "track" me on a whim I assume license plate readers make that moot, especially in areas with toll roads.
- naavis 6y agoBelieve it or not, many countries do not have toll roads.
- tenebrisalietum 6y agoIf you have a cell phone with active cellular service then you might as well have a tracking system on your car and derive some sort of benefit, as you're already being tracked and you already don't have your privacy.
- reaperducer 6y agoYou make assumptions about my behavior. I don't bring my phone with me unless it's truly necessary.
- unsui 6y agoI'd say that's a fair assumption for the vast majority of people who drive and have mobile phones, given the ubiquity of mobile phones and the likelihood that most people will carry their phones with them at all times (myself included). Thus, it would be your behavior which would be considered anomalous. So yes, definitely an assumption, although not an unwarranted one.
- sithadmin 6y ago>and/or the parts if the vehicle is broken down and sold. In the US, there's a product/service called Phantom Footprints that many dealers offer as an add-on. They affix tamper-evident stickers (the sort that leave a 'tattoo' if removed)/laser engrave a unique identifier that ties the vehicles/parts back to the owner in a database maintained by Phantom Footprints. On some vehicles, getting it installed and registering can even get you a discount on car insurance.
- gwillen 6y agoI'm pretty skeptical of the value of this gimmick, but my impression is that dealers get big kickbacks to push it. When I bought my car, I tried to opt-out of Phantom Footprints (as I did with every single overpriced extra), and they ended up giving it to me for free.
- 01100011 6y agoI don't know if that would help. There are enough independent auto repair shops out there who don't care and would provide a market for stolen parts.
- closeparen 6y agoUnless very many stolen cars are pinging from the same location, police are unlikely to care.
- TwoBit 6y agoTeslas are literally the least stolen car in USA and often retrieved when they are stolen. It's partly the built-in tracking, partly the PIN to drive feature, and partly that its parts market is weak for various reasons.