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Pretty sad to see this insanity happening in such a beautiful country. I guess Thailand is due for a revolution. And it seems the West doesn’t care that much ab

Pretty sad to see this insanity happening in such a beautiful country. I guess Thailand is due for a revolution. And it seems the West doesn’t care that much about human rights abuses as long as the government only oppresses its own people while playing nice with the West otherwise (like Saudi Arabia).

miga 6y ago
Many civilized societies hand prison penalties that are considered insane and counterproductive by sentencing experts. US inmate composition analyses are great example: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0927537114001146 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S092753711... https://jlc.org/news/what-foster-care-prison-pipeline https://jlc.org/news/what-foster-care-prison-pipeline Regretfully it is hard to sue the foster-child-care system as sharing guilt for the civil damages done to these children:
- bitcharmer 6y ago
  As much as US is a good example, it's also a country with by far the worst incarceration rate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarcera...
  - iguy 6y ago
    Interesting that Thailand is in 5th place on that list, 80% the US rate. And about 65% the murder rate (placing them pretty close together on the world scale): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention... Also interesting that including high estimates for China's "re-education" camps would still only move them up to about 30th place, for incarceration, somewhere around Russia/Turkey/Nigeria. Although that's one area being diluted by the whole.
yokto 6y ago
Due to its unique geographical situation, Thailand already had more revolutions than any other country. It has the highest largest-to-second-largest-city ratio among comparably sized countries, making it ideal for coups. See more here: https://youtu.be/S9SMRuvnl2g https://youtu.be/S9SMRuvnl2g
- fnord123 6y ago
  The video has a lot of incorrect or outdated information according to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primate_city https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primate_city Second city is Chiang Mai with 960k people. So the ratio is about 10:1 and not 26:1. This puts it in line with Japan, and Austria. Hardly churn factories.
  - yokto 6y ago
    I'm always a bit sceptical of PolyMatter's videos indeed, thank you for pointing that out. However, your link suggests a ratio of 17:1 with Chang Mai in the list, which is still quite high and also on the same page there is the contradictory mention of a 35:1 ratio with Nakhon Ratchasima (in the 'Examples' section). The Wikipedia 'Bangkok' page says the population (metro) is 14M, while this Wikipedia page says 17M. Other sources have wildly different numbers too. 5M here for example, suggesting a ratio of 13:1 with Samut Prakan, yet another city: https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/thailand-population/ https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/thailand-popu... ("includes boroughs, districts, urban agglomerations, etc.")
namelosw 6y ago
Well, I would say the opposite. The West cares too much and incited too many revolutions. Remember the Arab spring? People are still burning in hell and nobody in the West gives a shit anymore. Sure, Gaddafi was a terrible dictator, but his death is making things much, much worse. If Assad was dead, things would become even more ugly. All the West wanted is to judge and prevail instead of solving the problems, or at least try not to screw everything. Imagine yourself as an average Syrian or Lybian person, the government is imperfect just like anyone else but life is Okayish. All of a sudden some superpowers just yell freedom in your face, then soon there's wars and bombs - your home turned into rubble, many people you were killed. It's not only painful but also confusing and not constructive at all. Nobody learned anything. That's worse, things like these doomed to happen again, in another year, on another land, and happens to some other people.
- openasocket 6y ago
  I wouldn't blame the West for the Arab spring though, that was an organic, local movement. NATO bears some blame for what's happening in Libya since they did side with the rebels (though I think if you want to calculate blame you should compare the current situation with what would have happened if NATO had not intervened, which still would have involved a lot of casualties). But Syria? The West's support of the rebel movements has been token at best, and actual military support has been devoted almost entirely to ISIS and ISIS-aligned fighters.
  - shadowgovt 6y ago
    The Arab Spring was partially catalyzed by the leak of the US State Department cables to Wikileaks. I think it's fair to claim the US has some responsibility in the set of causes (there's a reason State Department correspondence is private). It turns out that while sunlight is a great disinfectant, it also sometimes starts unintended fires. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_diplomatic_cables_leak#Tunisian_revolution_and_Arab_Spring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_diplomatic_cable...
    - openasocket 6y ago
Dirlewanger 6y ago
I think the West has done enough meddling in other country's affairs the past 120 years.
- spaetzleesser 6y ago
  Totally agree. I am not advocating for the West to start a revolution.

miga 6y ago

Many civilized societies hand prison penalties that are considered insane and counterproductive by sentencing experts. US inmate composition analyses are great example: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0927537114001146 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S092753711... https://jlc.org/news/what-foster-care-prison-pipeline https://jlc.org/news/what-foster-care-prison-pipeline Regretfully it is hard to sue the foster-child-care system as sharing guilt for the civil damages done to these children:

bitcharmer 6y ago
As much as US is a good example, it's also a country with by far the worst incarceration rate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarcera...
- iguy 6y ago
  Interesting that Thailand is in 5th place on that list, 80% the US rate. And about 65% the murder rate (placing them pretty close together on the world scale): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention... Also interesting that including high estimates for China's "re-education" camps would still only move them up to about 30th place, for incarceration, somewhere around Russia/Turkey/Nigeria. Although that's one area being diluted by the whole.

yokto 6y ago

Due to its unique geographical situation, Thailand already had more revolutions than any other country. It has the highest largest-to-second-largest-city ratio among comparably sized countries, making it ideal for coups. See more here: https://youtu.be/S9SMRuvnl2g https://youtu.be/S9SMRuvnl2g

fnord123 6y ago
The video has a lot of incorrect or outdated information according to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primate_city https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primate_city Second city is Chiang Mai with 960k people. So the ratio is about 10:1 and not 26:1. This puts it in line with Japan, and Austria. Hardly churn factories.
- yokto 6y ago
  I'm always a bit sceptical of PolyMatter's videos indeed, thank you for pointing that out. However, your link suggests a ratio of 17:1 with Chang Mai in the list, which is still quite high and also on the same page there is the contradictory mention of a 35:1 ratio with Nakhon Ratchasima (in the 'Examples' section). The Wikipedia 'Bangkok' page says the population (metro) is 14M, while this Wikipedia page says 17M. Other sources have wildly different numbers too. 5M here for example, suggesting a ratio of 13:1 with Samut Prakan, yet another city: https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/thailand-population/ https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/thailand-popu... ("includes boroughs, districts, urban agglomerations, etc.")

namelosw 6y ago

Well, I would say the opposite. The West cares too much and incited too many revolutions. Remember the Arab spring? People are still burning in hell and nobody in the West gives a shit anymore. Sure, Gaddafi was a terrible dictator, but his death is making things much, much worse. If Assad was dead, things would become even more ugly. All the West wanted is to judge and prevail instead of solving the problems, or at least try not to screw everything. Imagine yourself as an average Syrian or Lybian person, the government is imperfect just like anyone else but life is Okayish. All of a sudden some superpowers just yell freedom in your face, then soon there's wars and bombs - your home turned into rubble, many people you were killed. It's not only painful but also confusing and not constructive at all. Nobody learned anything. That's worse, things like these doomed to happen again, in another year, on another land, and happens to some other people.

openasocket 6y ago
I wouldn't blame the West for the Arab spring though, that was an organic, local movement. NATO bears some blame for what's happening in Libya since they did side with the rebels (though I think if you want to calculate blame you should compare the current situation with what would have happened if NATO had not intervened, which still would have involved a lot of casualties). But Syria? The West's support of the rebel movements has been token at best, and actual military support has been devoted almost entirely to ISIS and ISIS-aligned fighters.
- shadowgovt 6y ago
  The Arab Spring was partially catalyzed by the leak of the US State Department cables to Wikileaks. I think it's fair to claim the US has some responsibility in the set of causes (there's a reason State Department correspondence is private). It turns out that while sunlight is a great disinfectant, it also sometimes starts unintended fires. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_diplomatic_cables_leak#Tunisian_revolution_and_Arab_Spring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_diplomatic_cable...
  - openasocket 6y ago

Dirlewanger 6y ago

I think the West has done enough meddling in other country's affairs the past 120 years.

spaetzleesser 6y ago
Totally agree. I am not advocating for the West to start a revolution.