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I'd say in many cases the issue is more that you are socially forced into accepting ToS that you have never read, thereby making data collection legal despite y
by fxtentacle 6y ago
I'd say in many cases the issue is more that you are socially forced into accepting ToS that you have never read, thereby making data collection legal despite you never intending to do so.
That's why the GDPR is so great: It's only legal if the user has willingly and independently given consent to your data processing. So as soon as you force or coax someone into ticking that box, it's invalid and you can be sued for it.
Facebook learned that the hard way :)
- dudue3grg 6y agoAgreed, before GDPR the largest internet companies were essentially just data collection firms.
- cortesoft 6y agoAnd they still are?
- jimmaswell 6y agoFrom my point of view GDPR is the real ToS you never read but were forced to accept.
- novok 6y agoIts called law ;)
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- TeMPOraL 6y agoIt's a feature, not a bug. Similar with strong consumer protection laws. I don't have to ever bother reading any ToS or disclaimers or whatnot when dealing with merchants, because there's an overriding set of laws I can invoke when they screw me over. So I only have to read one ToS - the government-issued one.
- danjc 6y agoAh, the ToS I’ve never read. So you mean, basically all of them ;)
- Terr_ 6y agoIn the meantime: https://tosdr.org/ https://tosdr.org/
- amelius 6y agoIt's asymmetric. Why can't I make them sign my terms for using my data? ToS popups need a textarea field where I can submit my terms.
- bozzcl 6y agoWell, you could probably message them to try to negotiate... though I'd say you wouldn't get far.
- renewiltord 6y agoYou can't make anyone sign terms. What you can do is offer and you can also make pre-offer commitments if you feel like it. So they offer and they make the commitment that if you attempt to modify terms, they will instantly reject. At that point, you won't get the service and they won't get the data. From their side, they also offer a well-defined interface to sign up to their service with the standard set of terms. Now, whether you use a tool that conforms to this interface is up to you. You don't have to use a tool that will conform and you won't get the offer. Likewise, you can offer a well-defined interface to sign up to your data and everyone else can just choose not to use it and they won't get your offer.
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- amelius 6y ago> Facebook learned that the hard way They got slapped on the wrist, you mean.