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I am not going to get into the semantics of the argument. If someone says "The US is not in a position to criticize China for <unspecified abuses> because of <

I am not going to get into the semantics of the argument. If someone says "The US is not in a position to criticize China for <unspecified abuses> because of <specified abuses which are not genocide>, it is an attempt to draw moral equivalence between the two. There is no equivalence to be drawn. There is bad, and there is evil. The two are not the same, and any sentence connecting the two is driven by bad faith or propaganda.

sudosysgen 6y ago
They aren't attempting to say that. They said that the US also does a lot of abuses that the US accuses China of doing. It certainly is not bad faith. But here, I'll give you a nice fact that will help you be more rational : the US has killed more innocents in the Middle East over lies than China is even accused of imprisoning in Xinjiang. So if you want your measure of evil, there they are. Both are evil.
- justinclift 6y ago
  > ... the US has killed more innocents in the Middle East over lies than China is even accused of imprisoning in Xinjiang. This confuses me. Isn't the # of people being imprisoned in Xinjiang in excess of a million? That seems like a higher number (that I'm aware of) have been killed in the Middle East by the US in their wars over the last few decades. (?)
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    The US has killed in excess of a million people in the Middle East. Around 650 000 people died as a result of the Iraq War, around 50 000 in Afghanistan, around 400 000 in Syria and around 20 000 in Lybia. Of course, neither were purely by the US but rather by a Coalition, but none of them would have happened if it wasn't for the US. I also include deaths from destruction of infrastructure and subsequent power vacuums, as is customary for crimes against humanity.
    - selimthegrim 6y ago
      When China gets through sterilizing half of Xinjiang we’ll see what bears out in the population growth statistics

sudosysgen 6y ago

They aren't attempting to say that. They said that the US also does a lot of abuses that the US accuses China of doing. It certainly is not bad faith. But here, I'll give you a nice fact that will help you be more rational : the US has killed more innocents in the Middle East over lies than China is even accused of imprisoning in Xinjiang. So if you want your measure of evil, there they are. Both are evil.

justinclift 6y ago
> ... the US has killed more innocents in the Middle East over lies than China is even accused of imprisoning in Xinjiang. This confuses me. Isn't the # of people being imprisoned in Xinjiang in excess of a million? That seems like a higher number (that I'm aware of) have been killed in the Middle East by the US in their wars over the last few decades. (?)
- sudosysgen 6y ago
  The US has killed in excess of a million people in the Middle East. Around 650 000 people died as a result of the Iraq War, around 50 000 in Afghanistan, around 400 000 in Syria and around 20 000 in Lybia. Of course, neither were purely by the US but rather by a Coalition, but none of them would have happened if it wasn't for the US. I also include deaths from destruction of infrastructure and subsequent power vacuums, as is customary for crimes against humanity.
  - selimthegrim 6y ago
    When China gets through sterilizing half of Xinjiang we’ll see what bears out in the population growth statistics