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Only ~5% of California's long-term care facility residents have been vaccinated

42 points by belltaco 6y ago

throwaway122378 6y ago
Is the plan to get 100%, you know since percentages are now being pumped as the primary daily statistic? Does anyone know what the plan even is? What about our elected officials who are making the destructive decisions? Do they have a plan?
us0r 6y ago
Kinda proves the point of folks who say none of this is about saving lives.
- monadic3 6y ago
  I'm sure that depends on who you ask. I certainly view this as a failed attempt at saving lives.
- emilsedgh 6y ago
  What is it about?
  - garden_gnome 6y ago
    Getting rid of Republicans: most in long-term care are.
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    It's not clear that it's really about anything. Nearly everyone in charge seems to just be going through the motions, filling their assigned role, without stepping back to think about what the goals are or how they can best be achieved. CDPH says that they authorized these clinics to begin setting up on December 28, which means with the standard 2 week lead time they could open on January 11 - the obvious question of why there should be a 2 week lead time, why vaccinations can't begin the very next day, does not appear to have been acknowledged or addressed.
- avs733 6y ago
  Or...this is hard? And the long majority of long term care facilities were just turned on for vaccines? And doing consent and paperwork and injections with the elderly is slow? And there has been a huge reporting lag, because the priority is giving shots? This doesn’t feed a conspiracy theory because it’s evidence. It feeds a conspiracy because it’s information and a conspiracy theory treats all information as proof it’s true.
  - us0r 6y ago
    They've had a year to prepare.
  - scruple 6y ago
    In 1947, NYC was capable of vaccinating 6,350,000 people in the span of 3 weeks for a smallpox outbreak. [0] How does a person reconcile this information with the progress we've made so far with covid-19 vaccinations? [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_New_York_City_smallpox_outbreak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_New_York_City_smallpox_ou...
- thebigman433 6y ago
  What point exactly?
- t-writescode 6y ago
  One state's poor performance in handling vaccine distribution proves [none of the vaccination efforts are] about saving lives?
- deeviant 6y ago
  Why don't you say exactly what you are trying to imply.
- mhh__ 6y ago
  I heard it was so bill gates could install 5G in my brain?
- greesil 6y ago
  Maybe you'll change your tune when everyone who wants to get a vaccine will have one by the time 2021 is over.
fasteddie31003 6y ago
Can the government do anything right? Seriously. Can you give me examples of successful government programs?
- t-writescode 6y ago
  * The highway program * The national parks program * Army Corps of Engineers' projects * FEMA ?
  - s0rce 6y ago
    USGS maps are also amazing, not sure really what project they came from but you can get a very good topo map of anywhere in the country. Really nice to have for planning hiking trips.
    - bennettfeely 6y ago
      I'd add the NWS to that. I don't know of a better place to get weather information and forecasts than weather.gov. Perhaps it's just a lack of ads on the website compared to every other weather site.
- deleted 6y ago
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- marcinzm 6y ago
  Medicaid seems successful.
- softwaredoug 6y ago
  I see successful government projects in many countries. Unfortunately in the US we have this belief that government projects are destined to fail, which means we don’t invest in them, so they often fail... self fulfilling prophecy if ever there was one.
  - rayiner 6y ago
    That’s not true! Blue states exist, and they invest in plenty of things. Those fail, but that doesn’t deter blue state voters.
rconti 6y ago
Statewide, the first round (I'm too tired to keep track if we're in Phase 1B part 2 or what) was to healthcare workers only, and it quickly became clear there was no plan for distributing to anyone else, because this was all being done in hospitals, by hospital staff. Now they're working on opening this mega vaccine clinic thing, partnering with CVS and Walgreens, and having SOME health care providers offer it. But that's just started, I'd say, last week. It feels like almost no thought was put into long term care facilities other than to say "they should be right up there with health care workers".
prepperdev 6y ago
Bloomberg maintains an excellent dashboard that tracks vaccination in the US and worldwide ([1]). It shows that California is one of the slowest states with only 37% of received vaccine administered. Top five states are North Dacota (77%), West Virginia (74%), Oregon (61%), South Dacota (61%) and Texas (60%). 1. https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-glo...
- aetherson 6y ago
  I don't know that percentage of received vaccine administered is quite the right metric: I tend to think doses administered per capita is the key number. But whatever number you look at, California is a disgrace. We've fucked this colossally. The only states that are worse than we are are poor, rural, and low education.
  - zdragnar 6y ago
    > The only states that are worse than we are are poor, rural, and low education. So are all of the top states, to be fair, excepting maybe Oregon (those are somewhat loose terms at a state level).
    - aetherson 6y ago
      It's not really true that all of them are: Alaska and North Dakota are actually quite wealthy per capita due to petroleum. Connecticut is also one of the states handling the vaccination quite well, and it's quite urban. But a number of the states doing well with vaccinations are quite poor and rural, and that just makes it all the more damning that California is doing so terribly poorly. As far as I can tell, it's not anything particularly to do with any demographic factor: other big states like New York and Texas are doing much better than California. States that are both deeply red and deeply blue are doing much better than California. California is just... failing. We're underperforming every state that might reasonably be a comparator.
- benjohnson 6y ago
olivermarks 6y ago
California has an alarmingly overconfident and autocratic governor who is likely to face a recall in the coming months. The problem is even if Newsom/Getty does get replaced there are few credible politicians on the horizon who can handle the massive debt load, complex layers of bureaucracy, alarming levels of graft and extreme levels of economic hardship. It's a serious situation, with the endless talk and inadequate action from Newsom/Getty making a lot of people very angry.
- greesil 6y ago
  There's a lot to your comment. Could you be more specific about how Neswom is being autocratic? Is he overstepping the powers of his office? Is he not listening to Californians?
  - Rebelgecko 6y ago
    I'm not sure where the line between hypocrite and autocrat is, but it was a bad move to tell people to only congregate with their own households while indoor dining is shut down in most of the state, and then go have what was probably a $600 per person dinner in person and indoors with a lobbyist (the topic of their friendship is a whole 'nother discussion that doesn't really pertain to whether or not he's autocratic, but it does relate to why I'm not happy with him as a governor).
    - sharadov 6y ago
      Just FYI, that county did not have indoor dining restrictions when he dined there, so he did not break the law.
      - scruple 6y ago
        Well that clears it up.
      - Rebelgecko 6y ago
        While I don't think there's any legal penalty for violators, at the time of the birthday party the California Department of Public Health prohibited gatherings of 3 or more households: https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/CDPH-Guidance-for-the-Prevention-of-COVID-19-Transmission-for-Gatherings-10-09.aspx https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/CDP... Newsom also relaxed his original "science based" thresholds for shutting down dining, which helped keep Napa County restaurants and wineries (including the one which he still partially owns) open. When asking people not to celebrate birthdays with their friends or to send their kids to school in person, it sets a bad example when you do those things. It also probably doesn't help your job effectiveness when you're forced to do 14 day quarantines multiple times due to nonessential COVID exposure (I think his kid's classmates have gotten it a few times)
softwaredoug 6y ago
I will be curious how different executive leadership could resolve logjams like this. These things often have to do with bureaucracy, miscommunications between agencies, differing priorities between the stakeholders, and unclear overlapping responsibilities. IMO it’s the job of executive leadership to help clarify these things regularly - especially when you should basically be on a war footing trying to all move in concert against an enemy.
greesil 6y ago
Hey mods, this is post naturally leads to politicized comments. Please consider killing it.

42 points by belltaco 6y ago

Is the plan to get 100%, you know since percentages are now being pumped as the primary daily statistic? Does anyone know what the plan even is? What about our elected officials who are making the destructive decisions? Do they have a plan?

us0r 6y ago

Kinda proves the point of folks who say none of this is about saving lives.

monadic3 6y ago
I'm sure that depends on who you ask. I certainly view this as a failed attempt at saving lives.
emilsedgh 6y ago
What is it about?
- garden_gnome 6y ago
  Getting rid of Republicans: most in long-term care are.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  It's not clear that it's really about anything. Nearly everyone in charge seems to just be going through the motions, filling their assigned role, without stepping back to think about what the goals are or how they can best be achieved. CDPH says that they authorized these clinics to begin setting up on December 28, which means with the standard 2 week lead time they could open on January 11 - the obvious question of why there should be a 2 week lead time, why vaccinations can't begin the very next day, does not appear to have been acknowledged or addressed.
avs733 6y ago
Or...this is hard? And the long majority of long term care facilities were just turned on for vaccines? And doing consent and paperwork and injections with the elderly is slow? And there has been a huge reporting lag, because the priority is giving shots? This doesn’t feed a conspiracy theory because it’s evidence. It feeds a conspiracy because it’s information and a conspiracy theory treats all information as proof it’s true.
- us0r 6y ago
  They've had a year to prepare.
- scruple 6y ago
  In 1947, NYC was capable of vaccinating 6,350,000 people in the span of 3 weeks for a smallpox outbreak. [0] How does a person reconcile this information with the progress we've made so far with covid-19 vaccinations? [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_New_York_City_smallpox_outbreak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_New_York_City_smallpox_ou...
thebigman433 6y ago
What point exactly?
t-writescode 6y ago
One state's poor performance in handling vaccine distribution proves [none of the vaccination efforts are] about saving lives?
deeviant 6y ago
Why don't you say exactly what you are trying to imply.
mhh__ 6y ago
I heard it was so bill gates could install 5G in my brain?
greesil 6y ago
Maybe you'll change your tune when everyone who wants to get a vaccine will have one by the time 2021 is over.

fasteddie31003 6y ago

Can the government do anything right? Seriously. Can you give me examples of successful government programs?

t-writescode 6y ago
* The highway program * The national parks program * Army Corps of Engineers' projects * FEMA ?
- s0rce 6y ago
  USGS maps are also amazing, not sure really what project they came from but you can get a very good topo map of anywhere in the country. Really nice to have for planning hiking trips.
  - bennettfeely 6y ago
    I'd add the NWS to that. I don't know of a better place to get weather information and forecasts than weather.gov. Perhaps it's just a lack of ads on the website compared to every other weather site.
deleted 6y ago
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marcinzm 6y ago
Medicaid seems successful.
softwaredoug 6y ago
I see successful government projects in many countries. Unfortunately in the US we have this belief that government projects are destined to fail, which means we don’t invest in them, so they often fail... self fulfilling prophecy if ever there was one.
- rayiner 6y ago
  That’s not true! Blue states exist, and they invest in plenty of things. Those fail, but that doesn’t deter blue state voters.

rconti 6y ago

Statewide, the first round (I'm too tired to keep track if we're in Phase 1B part 2 or what) was to healthcare workers only, and it quickly became clear there was no plan for distributing to anyone else, because this was all being done in hospitals, by hospital staff. Now they're working on opening this mega vaccine clinic thing, partnering with CVS and Walgreens, and having SOME health care providers offer it. But that's just started, I'd say, last week. It feels like almost no thought was put into long term care facilities other than to say "they should be right up there with health care workers".

prepperdev 6y ago

Bloomberg maintains an excellent dashboard that tracks vaccination in the US and worldwide ([1]). It shows that California is one of the slowest states with only 37% of received vaccine administered. Top five states are North Dacota (77%), West Virginia (74%), Oregon (61%), South Dacota (61%) and Texas (60%). 1. https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-glo...

aetherson 6y ago
I don't know that percentage of received vaccine administered is quite the right metric: I tend to think doses administered per capita is the key number. But whatever number you look at, California is a disgrace. We've fucked this colossally. The only states that are worse than we are are poor, rural, and low education.
- zdragnar 6y ago
  > The only states that are worse than we are are poor, rural, and low education. So are all of the top states, to be fair, excepting maybe Oregon (those are somewhat loose terms at a state level).
  - aetherson 6y ago
    It's not really true that all of them are: Alaska and North Dakota are actually quite wealthy per capita due to petroleum. Connecticut is also one of the states handling the vaccination quite well, and it's quite urban. But a number of the states doing well with vaccinations are quite poor and rural, and that just makes it all the more damning that California is doing so terribly poorly. As far as I can tell, it's not anything particularly to do with any demographic factor: other big states like New York and Texas are doing much better than California. States that are both deeply red and deeply blue are doing much better than California. California is just... failing. We're underperforming every state that might reasonably be a comparator.
benjohnson 6y ago

olivermarks 6y ago

California has an alarmingly overconfident and autocratic governor who is likely to face a recall in the coming months. The problem is even if Newsom/Getty does get replaced there are few credible politicians on the horizon who can handle the massive debt load, complex layers of bureaucracy, alarming levels of graft and extreme levels of economic hardship. It's a serious situation, with the endless talk and inadequate action from Newsom/Getty making a lot of people very angry.

greesil 6y ago
There's a lot to your comment. Could you be more specific about how Neswom is being autocratic? Is he overstepping the powers of his office? Is he not listening to Californians?
- Rebelgecko 6y ago
  I'm not sure where the line between hypocrite and autocrat is, but it was a bad move to tell people to only congregate with their own households while indoor dining is shut down in most of the state, and then go have what was probably a $600 per person dinner in person and indoors with a lobbyist (the topic of their friendship is a whole 'nother discussion that doesn't really pertain to whether or not he's autocratic, but it does relate to why I'm not happy with him as a governor).
  - sharadov 6y ago
    Just FYI, that county did not have indoor dining restrictions when he dined there, so he did not break the law.
    - scruple 6y ago
      Well that clears it up.
    - Rebelgecko 6y ago
      While I don't think there's any legal penalty for violators, at the time of the birthday party the California Department of Public Health prohibited gatherings of 3 or more households: https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/CDPH-Guidance-for-the-Prevention-of-COVID-19-Transmission-for-Gatherings-10-09.aspx https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/CDP... Newsom also relaxed his original "science based" thresholds for shutting down dining, which helped keep Napa County restaurants and wineries (including the one which he still partially owns) open. When asking people not to celebrate birthdays with their friends or to send their kids to school in person, it sets a bad example when you do those things. It also probably doesn't help your job effectiveness when you're forced to do 14 day quarantines multiple times due to nonessential COVID exposure (I think his kid's classmates have gotten it a few times)

softwaredoug 6y ago

I will be curious how different executive leadership could resolve logjams like this. These things often have to do with bureaucracy, miscommunications between agencies, differing priorities between the stakeholders, and unclear overlapping responsibilities. IMO it’s the job of executive leadership to help clarify these things regularly - especially when you should basically be on a war footing trying to all move in concert against an enemy.

greesil 6y ago

Hey mods, this is post naturally leads to politicized comments. Please consider killing it.