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I don’t see how the popularity of something necessarily corresponds to its utility. How is it counter-productive to speak to the reality of the bill, popularit

I don’t see how the popularity of something necessarily corresponds to its utility. How is it counter-productive to speak to the reality of the bill, popularity at passage is entirely orthogonal to “Has it been beneficial”. People like having cheap Ubers and didn’t prioritize about the ramifications otherwise, that’s my personal take from conversations I had around the election.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
There's nothing wrong with opposing and discussing the downsides of popular policies. What's counterproductive is saying that the policies aren't actually popular and people were just, in the author's words, "bamboozled into supporting the measure". I've seen many people (including a friend) with that attitude, and it makes engaging with anyone who does support Prop 22 impossible, because you're forced to assume they either don't know what they're talking about or don't mean what they say.
- alextheparrot 6y ago
  That quote is not supporting your point, though, because the author and your friend are in separate camps. They are separate on exactly the grounds you indicate — the author spends paragraphs supporting how Prop 22 is not turning out positively and then says welp, people have been bamboozled. The bamboozling is the conclusion, not a premise of the article. Such a conclusion is done out of kindness for the voters who passed this proposition as the actual ramifications are now becoming clear. They either didn’t realize or didn’t care that we’d see incidents such as the recent firing of Von employees. Easiest way to check if someone understood what they were voting in support of is to ask if they thought workers would be fired to be replaced with this new class of employee. That’s why I voted no. I didn’t understand how it would end up being rolled out reality and correcting ballot propositions is much more involved than an ordinary bill.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago

There's nothing wrong with opposing and discussing the downsides of popular policies. What's counterproductive is saying that the policies aren't actually popular and people were just, in the author's words, "bamboozled into supporting the measure". I've seen many people (including a friend) with that attitude, and it makes engaging with anyone who does support Prop 22 impossible, because you're forced to assume they either don't know what they're talking about or don't mean what they say.

alextheparrot 6y ago
That quote is not supporting your point, though, because the author and your friend are in separate camps. They are separate on exactly the grounds you indicate — the author spends paragraphs supporting how Prop 22 is not turning out positively and then says welp, people have been bamboozled. The bamboozling is the conclusion, not a premise of the article. Such a conclusion is done out of kindness for the voters who passed this proposition as the actual ramifications are now becoming clear. They either didn’t realize or didn’t care that we’d see incidents such as the recent firing of Von employees. Easiest way to check if someone understood what they were voting in support of is to ask if they thought workers would be fired to be replaced with this new class of employee. That’s why I voted no. I didn’t understand how it would end up being rolled out reality and correcting ballot propositions is much more involved than an ordinary bill.