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Immediately? She had over 20 minutes of knocking and a few phone calls in that period. People should watch the video and think about how long of a time 20 minut

Immediately? She had over 20 minutes of knocking and a few phone calls in that period. People should watch the video and think about how long of a time 20 minutes is. They’ll most likely even find it boring and start skipping ahead to more knocking without a response.

MereInterest 6y ago
> She had over 20 minutes of knocking and a few phone calls in that period. So what? If somebody is knocking on my door, in the middle of the night, claiming to be a police officer, then making phone calls to verify that is 100% reasonable. If I had just been fired for politically motivated reasons, then making phone calls to alert the media when your home is being raided is 100% reasonable. > They’ll most likely even find it boring and start skipping ahead to more knocking without a response. Police are allowed to be bored. Police are allowed to sit outside a house and wait. It does them no harm, and does not justify them using additional force when serving the warrant.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  It was a sunny morning, not the middle of the night. Obviously that's a minor detail, but it's indicative of a larger problem - there's been a big game of telephone on the actual circumstances of this raid, so your mental image of what happened may be different than what the video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of7ITokML-A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of7ITokML-A) shows.
  - stretchcat 6y ago
    Is the timestamp on that video accurate? T13:26 sounds like the early afternoon, not even the morning let alone late at night.
    - isoskeles 6y ago
      T13:26:00Z Z is for "Zulu" time zone (https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9706688/what-does-the-z-mean-in-unix-timestamp-120314170138z https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9706688/what-does-the-z-...) So hour 13:00 in Z would be 8:00 am in Florida.
  - MereInterest 6y ago
    Good point, and thank you. The relevant pieces that I had remembered were that there was a police raid for a non-violent crime, and was emphasizing that that is not an urgent issue. It's the same way that if you see police lights pulling you over on a deserted road, you should call to verify that it is a legitimate officer.

MereInterest 6y ago

> She had over 20 minutes of knocking and a few phone calls in that period. So what? If somebody is knocking on my door, in the middle of the night, claiming to be a police officer, then making phone calls to verify that is 100% reasonable. If I had just been fired for politically motivated reasons, then making phone calls to alert the media when your home is being raided is 100% reasonable. > They’ll most likely even find it boring and start skipping ahead to more knocking without a response. Police are allowed to be bored. Police are allowed to sit outside a house and wait. It does them no harm, and does not justify them using additional force when serving the warrant.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
It was a sunny morning, not the middle of the night. Obviously that's a minor detail, but it's indicative of a larger problem - there's been a big game of telephone on the actual circumstances of this raid, so your mental image of what happened may be different than what the video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of7ITokML-A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of7ITokML-A) shows.
- stretchcat 6y ago
  Is the timestamp on that video accurate? T13:26 sounds like the early afternoon, not even the morning let alone late at night.
  - isoskeles 6y ago
    T13:26:00Z Z is for "Zulu" time zone (https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9706688/what-does-the-z-mean-in-unix-timestamp-120314170138z https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9706688/what-does-the-z-...) So hour 13:00 in Z would be 8:00 am in Florida.
- MereInterest 6y ago
  Good point, and thank you. The relevant pieces that I had remembered were that there was a police raid for a non-violent crime, and was emphasizing that that is not an urgent issue. It's the same way that if you see police lights pulling you over on a deserted road, you should call to verify that it is a legitimate officer.