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>The new keyboards are utter crap! They are still crap Hold on, are you claiming that the new scissor switch keyboards have similar reliability issues to the o

by foldr 6y ago

>The new keyboards are utter crap! They are still crap Hold on, are you claiming that the new scissor switch keyboards have similar reliability issues to the older butterfly keyboards? If not, then this is really just a matter of taste. You can't please everyone with keyboards. People do genuinely have different preferences regarding feel and key travel. It honestly seems hyperbolic to describe a keyboard that most people find completely functional as "utter crap". I personally love the feel of the older butterfly keyboards. I also think that Apple fixed the reliability issues with them in their last generation. At least, I've not had a single keyboard issue with my 2019 MacBook Pro or MacBook Air.

sitkack 6y ago
I am not saying they have similar reliability issues, not enough time has passed for that to be determined. Utter is too strong of a word, the keyboard has the same qualities for me that made the butterfly keyboards suck. They may have fixed the reliability issues, but they have not fixed key travel issues. The person that designed this keyboard is a very particular person, and this person probably does not like the keyboard in the 2012 MBA. It isn't just preference, the new keyboard is slightly uncomfortable to use, the key pressure is too high and the travel too low, so the impulse on the tendons is too sharp. The gist is that Apple has over designed its product and made design the number one metric. Design only works when it is subservient to function.
- foldr 6y ago
  >It isn't just preference, the new keyboard is slightly uncomfortable to use, the key pressure is too high and the travel too low, so the impulse on the tendons is too sharp. Sure, but some people (like me) find keyboards with shorter travel more comfortable to use. So as far as I can see it is just a preference – and a question of what your fingers are accustomed to. I'm old enough to remember when the chicklet macbook keyboards that everyone now idolises were the Worst Keyboards Ever because they didn't have enough travel. >The gist is that Apple has over designed its product and made design the number one metric. Apple is now using an ordinary chicklet keyboard that's very similar to the ones used by most other modern laptops. It's a very conservative and unremarkable design as far as I can see.

by foldr 6y ago

sitkack 6y ago

I am not saying they have similar reliability issues, not enough time has passed for that to be determined. Utter is too strong of a word, the keyboard has the same qualities for me that made the butterfly keyboards suck. They may have fixed the reliability issues, but they have not fixed key travel issues. The person that designed this keyboard is a very particular person, and this person probably does not like the keyboard in the 2012 MBA. It isn't just preference, the new keyboard is slightly uncomfortable to use, the key pressure is too high and the travel too low, so the impulse on the tendons is too sharp. The gist is that Apple has over designed its product and made design the number one metric. Design only works when it is subservient to function.

foldr 6y ago
>It isn't just preference, the new keyboard is slightly uncomfortable to use, the key pressure is too high and the travel too low, so the impulse on the tendons is too sharp. Sure, but some people (like me) find keyboards with shorter travel more comfortable to use. So as far as I can see it is just a preference – and a question of what your fingers are accustomed to. I'm old enough to remember when the chicklet macbook keyboards that everyone now idolises were the Worst Keyboards Ever because they didn't have enough travel. >The gist is that Apple has over designed its product and made design the number one metric. Apple is now using an ordinary chicklet keyboard that's very similar to the ones used by most other modern laptops. It's a very conservative and unremarkable design as far as I can see.