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>Fedora has moved to Btrfs (Sigh)... Another reason to move away from Fedora.

LanternLight83 6y ago
Funnily enough, BTRFS and ZRAM out-of-the-box are the reasons I moved to Fedora for all but my main Gentoo/ZFS system. To each their own c: Would you mind sharing what other features you've found pushing you away from Fedora and why? For my part, I'll admit, BTRFS and ZRAM both work against hibernation out-of-the-box, which is my most major gripe.
- cmurf 6y ago
  Neither Btrfs nor zram-based swap, inhibit hibernation. There is a kernel lockdown policy that inhibits hibernation when UEFI Secure Boot is enabled. Since the hibernation image is neither encrypted nor signed, it's a potential attack vector to subvert the UEFI Secure Boot mechanism. Because UEFI Secure Boot systems are common (Windows hardware certification requires it exist and be enabled by default), it was decided to, by default, save the space on disk for disk-based swap and use zram-based swap instead. It is straight forward to create a disk-based partition during installation, and it is configured to support hibernation, while still remaining subject to the lockdown policy.
  - Dylan16807 6y ago
    Well why isn't it encrypted or signed?
    - cmurf 6y ago
      The work is incomplete. https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/7/10/601 https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/7/10/601
loeg 6y ago
The Fedora installer has let you choose between ext4 (and ext3 before it), XFS, and BtrFS for like, more than a decade? This should not really influence your distro choice one way or another.
- throwawaygulf 6y ago
  It's defaulting to btrfs, which is a poor decision. If Fedora is making such poor decisions on basic things like default filesystems, that gives me more than enough influence to chose one way or another. They were all aboard with Stratis, but here we are, btrfs moving back in.
  - mixmastamyk 6y ago
    The point of fedora is to be on the bleeding edge and get things tested for blue hat. If this is a problem, choose another distro.
gautamcgoel 6y ago
Can you elaborate why your disenchanted with Fedora? I'm considering jumping to Debian myself.
bartvk 6y ago
Since you have a new account, I'm just pointing out that shallow dismissals are mentioned in the guidelines (link at the bottom of each page).

Funnily enough, BTRFS and ZRAM out-of-the-box are the reasons I moved to Fedora for all but my main Gentoo/ZFS system. To each their own c: Would you mind sharing what other features you've found pushing you away from Fedora and why? For my part, I'll admit, BTRFS and ZRAM both work against hibernation out-of-the-box, which is my most major gripe.

cmurf 6y ago
Neither Btrfs nor zram-based swap, inhibit hibernation. There is a kernel lockdown policy that inhibits hibernation when UEFI Secure Boot is enabled. Since the hibernation image is neither encrypted nor signed, it's a potential attack vector to subvert the UEFI Secure Boot mechanism. Because UEFI Secure Boot systems are common (Windows hardware certification requires it exist and be enabled by default), it was decided to, by default, save the space on disk for disk-based swap and use zram-based swap instead. It is straight forward to create a disk-based partition during installation, and it is configured to support hibernation, while still remaining subject to the lockdown policy.
- Dylan16807 6y ago
  Well why isn't it encrypted or signed?
  - cmurf 6y ago
    The work is incomplete. https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/7/10/601 https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/7/10/601

loeg 6y ago

The Fedora installer has let you choose between ext4 (and ext3 before it), XFS, and BtrFS for like, more than a decade? This should not really influence your distro choice one way or another.

throwawaygulf 6y ago
It's defaulting to btrfs, which is a poor decision. If Fedora is making such poor decisions on basic things like default filesystems, that gives me more than enough influence to chose one way or another. They were all aboard with Stratis, but here we are, btrfs moving back in.
- mixmastamyk 6y ago
  The point of fedora is to be on the bleeding edge and get things tested for blue hat. If this is a problem, choose another distro.

gautamcgoel 6y ago

Can you elaborate why your disenchanted with Fedora? I'm considering jumping to Debian myself.

bartvk 6y ago

Since you have a new account, I'm just pointing out that shallow dismissals are mentioned in the guidelines (link at the bottom of each page).