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Good luck doing so and let me know how you did it!

brink 6y ago
If only Firefox OS has succeeded. Between Android or iOS, I don't see iOS as being much better. At least I can still side-load applications in Android if it gets banned by the censors.
- imheretolearn 6y ago
  I concur. Given current offerings from the Big G, I find it either inconvenient or requiring massive efforts to wean off of them.
- fsflover 6y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Librem_5 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Librem_5 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinephone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinephone
yumraj 6y ago
Chrome -> Firefox, Safari, Brave -- Done Google Search -> DDG -- Done Android -> iOS -- Done Gmail -> Personal domain email (pending, work started) TV OS from Android -> Dumb TV (very hard) YouTube -> ? (limited use, very hard) Google Classroom (for kids) -> ? (very hard) Google Maps (noted by helmholtz below ) -> ? (very hard) ...
- eertami 6y ago
  >Android -> iOS This is just going out of the frying pan and into the fryer. (I assume you mean stock/Google powered Android here.) Replacing one user-hostile walled garden with another user-hostile walled garden is hardly an improvement. I'd suggest Google Android -> Open-source Android ROM, though I know it can cause issues with some banking apps, annoyingly.
  - cutthegrass2 6y ago
    through the lens of 'user data collection to sell targeted advertising', I'm not sure Apple is even in the same league as Google here.
  - yumraj 6y ago
    I'll have to disagree, iOS and Android are far apart. In end, as I said above, it's about reducing the footprint. Eliminating Google is a very difficult undertaking which I'm not really sure is even possible..
  - eudajmonia 6y ago
    I've been happy to switch back to a BlackBerry Q20. 1) I find the use of the BlackBerry hub to really help with decreasing the intermittent reward that having to switch between applications to see your messages gives. 2) It is refreshing to use a device that is more purely focused on its intended purpose. (Communication) 3) I can still sideload most Android APKs if necessary.
- helmholtz 6y ago
  > YouTube -> ? (limited use, very hard) Some out of the box thinking is in order here. Duringe the initial lockdown, I signed up to pay for Coursera's courses. I found out that what I craved wasn't shirking from work, but rather distraction. It didn't matter that I had to do some homework for the courses. Since I was _watching_ something, my brain thought of it as the same thing. But I should note that you haven't addressed the biggest bugbear of mine either, Google maps. It's light-years ahead of everything else, and just does not get replaced easily.
  - yumraj 6y ago
    Regarding Youtube it's a little bit more nuanced unfortunately. I tried blocking Youtube via pi-hole and suddenly a lot of educational course work for kids started throwing a fit since a lot of videos are hosted on Youtube. So I had to grudgingly unblock it. Yes, I had missed Google maps. I agree it's indeed light-years ahead of others. In end it's about reducing Google footprint, elimination is extremely hard.
    - helmholtz 6y ago
      > it's about reducing Google footprint Indeed. Making peace with this fact has helped me a lot. I don't actually pay Google with anything other than my attention. All of my entertainment is via a uMatrix/uBlockOrigin protected Firefox, so things could be worse.
- suyash 6y ago
  If you're switching to iPhone and then Apple Maps shouldn't be hard at all, it's actually a pretty decent alternative now.
- fsflover 6y ago
  > Android -> iOS I prefer Librem 5 or Pinephone instead, not to switch walled gardens. > YouTube PeerTube (very hard, but promising) > Google Maps https://openstreetmap.org https://openstreetmap.org > ... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17280558 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17280558 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25380999 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25380999
- allarm 6y ago
  For me it was very easy to stop watching youtube when they started to show more and more commercials - I just couldn’t stand it, it was too frustrating. Occasionally I find something useful, download it using youtube-dl and (re)watch offline.
- IG_Semmelweiss 6y ago
  smart tv > dumb tv I have a dumb tv from 2006 that we still use and we are happy with but it works because we also use a roku. An old roku. At some point however not sure how but my roku updated and im pretty sure its monitoring all my stuff (mostly yt) Ive read about router hacks etc to dumb down the roku and prevent it from calling home but it seems super hard. I was barely able to use my own domain with proton. Neutering roku seems like mission impossible for a non sysadmin. Is there a simple solution to this with or without roku?
  - clircle 6y ago
    Pi-hole can suck up all of Roku's badness. It's pretty cheap and pretty easy. But it can interfere with some apps, for example Roku's PBS app doesn't work when my Pi-hole is on.
  - 0-_-0 6y ago
    I have a friend working for Roku and once they made a comment that people would be shocked to know what data about customers they have access to.

If only Firefox OS has succeeded. Between Android or iOS, I don't see iOS as being much better. At least I can still side-load applications in Android if it gets banned by the censors.

imheretolearn 6y ago
I concur. Given current offerings from the Big G, I find it either inconvenient or requiring massive efforts to wean off of them.
fsflover 6y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Librem_5 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Librem_5 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinephone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinephone

yumraj 6y ago

Chrome -> Firefox, Safari, Brave -- Done Google Search -> DDG -- Done Android -> iOS -- Done Gmail -> Personal domain email (pending, work started) TV OS from Android -> Dumb TV (very hard) YouTube -> ? (limited use, very hard) Google Classroom (for kids) -> ? (very hard) Google Maps (noted by helmholtz below ) -> ? (very hard) ...

eertami 6y ago
>Android -> iOS This is just going out of the frying pan and into the fryer. (I assume you mean stock/Google powered Android here.) Replacing one user-hostile walled garden with another user-hostile walled garden is hardly an improvement. I'd suggest Google Android -> Open-source Android ROM, though I know it can cause issues with some banking apps, annoyingly.
- cutthegrass2 6y ago
  through the lens of 'user data collection to sell targeted advertising', I'm not sure Apple is even in the same league as Google here.
- yumraj 6y ago
  I'll have to disagree, iOS and Android are far apart. In end, as I said above, it's about reducing the footprint. Eliminating Google is a very difficult undertaking which I'm not really sure is even possible..
- eudajmonia 6y ago
  I've been happy to switch back to a BlackBerry Q20. 1) I find the use of the BlackBerry hub to really help with decreasing the intermittent reward that having to switch between applications to see your messages gives. 2) It is refreshing to use a device that is more purely focused on its intended purpose. (Communication) 3) I can still sideload most Android APKs if necessary.
helmholtz 6y ago
> YouTube -> ? (limited use, very hard) Some out of the box thinking is in order here. Duringe the initial lockdown, I signed up to pay for Coursera's courses. I found out that what I craved wasn't shirking from work, but rather distraction. It didn't matter that I had to do some homework for the courses. Since I was _watching_ something, my brain thought of it as the same thing. But I should note that you haven't addressed the biggest bugbear of mine either, Google maps. It's light-years ahead of everything else, and just does not get replaced easily.
- yumraj 6y ago
  Regarding Youtube it's a little bit more nuanced unfortunately. I tried blocking Youtube via pi-hole and suddenly a lot of educational course work for kids started throwing a fit since a lot of videos are hosted on Youtube. So I had to grudgingly unblock it. Yes, I had missed Google maps. I agree it's indeed light-years ahead of others. In end it's about reducing Google footprint, elimination is extremely hard.
  - helmholtz 6y ago
    > it's about reducing Google footprint Indeed. Making peace with this fact has helped me a lot. I don't actually pay Google with anything other than my attention. All of my entertainment is via a uMatrix/uBlockOrigin protected Firefox, so things could be worse.
suyash 6y ago
If you're switching to iPhone and then Apple Maps shouldn't be hard at all, it's actually a pretty decent alternative now.
fsflover 6y ago
> Android -> iOS I prefer Librem 5 or Pinephone instead, not to switch walled gardens. > YouTube PeerTube (very hard, but promising) > Google Maps https://openstreetmap.org https://openstreetmap.org > ... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17280558 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17280558 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25380999 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25380999
allarm 6y ago
For me it was very easy to stop watching youtube when they started to show more and more commercials - I just couldn’t stand it, it was too frustrating. Occasionally I find something useful, download it using youtube-dl and (re)watch offline.
IG_Semmelweiss 6y ago
smart tv > dumb tv I have a dumb tv from 2006 that we still use and we are happy with but it works because we also use a roku. An old roku. At some point however not sure how but my roku updated and im pretty sure its monitoring all my stuff (mostly yt) Ive read about router hacks etc to dumb down the roku and prevent it from calling home but it seems super hard. I was barely able to use my own domain with proton. Neutering roku seems like mission impossible for a non sysadmin. Is there a simple solution to this with or without roku?
- clircle 6y ago
  Pi-hole can suck up all of Roku's badness. It's pretty cheap and pretty easy. But it can interfere with some apps, for example Roku's PBS app doesn't work when my Pi-hole is on.
- 0-_-0 6y ago
  I have a friend working for Roku and once they made a comment that people would be shocked to know what data about customers they have access to.