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There are just two models with AMD and HiDPI displays: Microsoft Surface Laptop 3, Asus ROG Zephyrus G14. It seems that the laptop market simply ignores AMD's

by slezyr 6y ago

There are just two models with AMD and HiDPI displays: Microsoft Surface Laptop 3, Asus ROG Zephyrus G14. It seems that the laptop market simply ignores AMD's mobile CPUs for middle-, high- end laptops.

u678u 6y ago
I think its more they're in short supply. You look at Thinkpad AMD laptops and many are one month+ wait times.
gjsman-1000 6y ago
I'm wondering at this point whether it's TSMC supply constraints. Intel still wins in sheer number of fabs producing their product. If you can't actually get enough AMD chips to ship your laptop...
- NewLogic 6y ago
  Paper launches everywhere, as far as the eye can see.
- toast0 6y ago
  Design is a pipeline and updated models are a large component of the pipeline. AMD CPUs weren't really compelling for high end in mobile until the Zen2 Ryzen 4000 APUs released last year. There weren't a lot of high end models to update to put that in, so it took a while to get those chips into nicer models. TSMC supply limitation and pandemic induced demand for computing devices doesn't help.
- IanCutress 6y ago
  Lisa Su interview https://www.anandtech.com/show/16409/amd-ceo-dr-lisa-su-interview-on-2021-demand-supply-tariffs-xilinx-and-epyc https://www.anandtech.com/show/16409/amd-ceo-dr-lisa-su-inte...
danieldk 6y ago
Not HiDPI, but the ThinkPad T14 AMD is a pretty good business laptop with AMD Ryzen 7 Pro. Also with extensible memory and replaceable NVMe SSD as a cherry on top. There is also the less extendable but slimmer T14s. Source: I own a T14 AMD. I am pretty happy with it after 13 years of MacBooks and returning a MacBook Air M1. With 8 cores it's fast for development and the fan is not very loud (nowhere near as loud as Intel MacBooks),
- kilburn 6y ago
  Lucky you, but they don't want my money. Lenovo does not sell ANY AMD-equipped Thinkpad in Spain as of right now because they are all sold out [1]. The Ryzen 7 version in particular was sold out a mere 1 week after launch and hasn't been available since. To add insult to injury, they have announced 5 new thinkpads (X1 Titanium Yoga, X12 Detachable, X1 Yoga Gen6, X1 Nano, X1 Carbon Gen9) but all of them are intel-based. [2] [1] https://www.lenovo.com/es/es/laptops/c/LAPTOPS#view-all https://www.lenovo.com/es/es/laptops/c/LAPTOPS#view-all [2] https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/events/ces/products#laptops https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/events/ces/products#laptops
  - danieldk 6y ago
    Lucky you, but they don't want my money. Lenovo does not sell ANY AMD-equipped Thinkpad in Spain That's frustrating. I am in the Netherlands and when I decided to buy it, I picked it up the next day. It's also in stock now: https://www.coolblue.nl/product/862275/lenovo-thinkpad-t14-20ud001amh.html https://www.coolblue.nl/product/862275/lenovo-thinkpad-t14-2... Interestingly, it's now 60 Euro more expensive than when I bought it. I guess the new lockdown drives prices up due to people working from home?
- pimeys 6y ago
  How is Linux with it now in 2021. I'm currently not needing a new laptop, having the T25 and just replaced a US keyboard to it, it'll be great for the next 10-15 years. But, if I need a laptop from the company, I'd definitely look into the AMD series of ThinkPads, if I could get a good Arch Linux experience with it.
tw04 6y ago
And you can write off the Surface because it's a 3000 series chip which was... not good. At least this generation seems to have far more OEM wins which will hopefully result in better displays.
llampx 6y ago
> It seems that the laptop market simply ignores AMD's mobile CPUs for middle-, high- end laptops. It seems that's changing from this year's lineup, looking at Asus and Acer and Lenovo. Intel partners like Dell are not in my buying list.
- neogodless 6y ago
  Yeah I think the OEM landscape is rapidly evolving for AMD. Before Ryzen 4000 / 2020, you could pretty much only get budget laptops with relatively cheap chassis, abysmal screens (1366x768!), low-end graphics, spinning disk HDD, that sort of thing. Starting in 2020 Ryzen 4000 you started to get reasonably good 1080p Ryzen laptops, but they seemed quite artificially limited to RTX 2060, rarely over 300 nits, often 16GB or lower, no more than 144Hz in most cases. If you'd shuffle over to Intel, you'd find RTX 2080, 500 nits, 32GB, 300Hz screens, and QHD/4K. Already in 2021 we're seeing (announced) QHD screens, up to 360Hz, RTX 3080, 32GB. (I've been looking for high refresh and prefer gaming laptops, so I'm less clear on what's available in business laptops with 4K, etc.)
  - posguy 6y ago
    Even during the Ryzen 2000 generation you could find reasonably priced laptops with 1080p screens, though the compromise would be a tiny SSD or spinning rust.
agloeregrets 6y ago
This probably comes off way off base but it's worth mentioning that Apple's new MacBooks also offer greater perfromance than most Ryzen 4000 chips (faster than all in single core, faster than most in multi) while offering pretty HiDPI stuff. Granted no Linux or W10. So the market clearly is there for them to hit.

by slezyr 6y ago

u678u 6y ago

I think its more they're in short supply. You look at Thinkpad AMD laptops and many are one month+ wait times.

gjsman-1000 6y ago

I'm wondering at this point whether it's TSMC supply constraints. Intel still wins in sheer number of fabs producing their product. If you can't actually get enough AMD chips to ship your laptop...

NewLogic 6y ago
Paper launches everywhere, as far as the eye can see.
toast0 6y ago
Design is a pipeline and updated models are a large component of the pipeline. AMD CPUs weren't really compelling for high end in mobile until the Zen2 Ryzen 4000 APUs released last year. There weren't a lot of high end models to update to put that in, so it took a while to get those chips into nicer models. TSMC supply limitation and pandemic induced demand for computing devices doesn't help.
IanCutress 6y ago
Lisa Su interview https://www.anandtech.com/show/16409/amd-ceo-dr-lisa-su-interview-on-2021-demand-supply-tariffs-xilinx-and-epyc https://www.anandtech.com/show/16409/amd-ceo-dr-lisa-su-inte...

danieldk 6y ago

Not HiDPI, but the ThinkPad T14 AMD is a pretty good business laptop with AMD Ryzen 7 Pro. Also with extensible memory and replaceable NVMe SSD as a cherry on top. There is also the less extendable but slimmer T14s. Source: I own a T14 AMD. I am pretty happy with it after 13 years of MacBooks and returning a MacBook Air M1. With 8 cores it's fast for development and the fan is not very loud (nowhere near as loud as Intel MacBooks),

kilburn 6y ago
Lucky you, but they don't want my money. Lenovo does not sell ANY AMD-equipped Thinkpad in Spain as of right now because they are all sold out [1]. The Ryzen 7 version in particular was sold out a mere 1 week after launch and hasn't been available since. To add insult to injury, they have announced 5 new thinkpads (X1 Titanium Yoga, X12 Detachable, X1 Yoga Gen6, X1 Nano, X1 Carbon Gen9) but all of them are intel-based. [2] [1] https://www.lenovo.com/es/es/laptops/c/LAPTOPS#view-all https://www.lenovo.com/es/es/laptops/c/LAPTOPS#view-all [2] https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/events/ces/products#laptops https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/events/ces/products#laptops
- danieldk 6y ago
  Lucky you, but they don't want my money. Lenovo does not sell ANY AMD-equipped Thinkpad in Spain That's frustrating. I am in the Netherlands and when I decided to buy it, I picked it up the next day. It's also in stock now: https://www.coolblue.nl/product/862275/lenovo-thinkpad-t14-20ud001amh.html https://www.coolblue.nl/product/862275/lenovo-thinkpad-t14-2... Interestingly, it's now 60 Euro more expensive than when I bought it. I guess the new lockdown drives prices up due to people working from home?
pimeys 6y ago
How is Linux with it now in 2021. I'm currently not needing a new laptop, having the T25 and just replaced a US keyboard to it, it'll be great for the next 10-15 years. But, if I need a laptop from the company, I'd definitely look into the AMD series of ThinkPads, if I could get a good Arch Linux experience with it.

tw04 6y ago

And you can write off the Surface because it's a 3000 series chip which was... not good. At least this generation seems to have far more OEM wins which will hopefully result in better displays.

llampx 6y ago

> It seems that the laptop market simply ignores AMD's mobile CPUs for middle-, high- end laptops. It seems that's changing from this year's lineup, looking at Asus and Acer and Lenovo. Intel partners like Dell are not in my buying list.

neogodless 6y ago
Yeah I think the OEM landscape is rapidly evolving for AMD. Before Ryzen 4000 / 2020, you could pretty much only get budget laptops with relatively cheap chassis, abysmal screens (1366x768!), low-end graphics, spinning disk HDD, that sort of thing. Starting in 2020 Ryzen 4000 you started to get reasonably good 1080p Ryzen laptops, but they seemed quite artificially limited to RTX 2060, rarely over 300 nits, often 16GB or lower, no more than 144Hz in most cases. If you'd shuffle over to Intel, you'd find RTX 2080, 500 nits, 32GB, 300Hz screens, and QHD/4K. Already in 2021 we're seeing (announced) QHD screens, up to 360Hz, RTX 3080, 32GB. (I've been looking for high refresh and prefer gaming laptops, so I'm less clear on what's available in business laptops with 4K, etc.)
- posguy 6y ago
  Even during the Ryzen 2000 generation you could find reasonably priced laptops with 1080p screens, though the compromise would be a tiny SSD or spinning rust.

agloeregrets 6y ago

This probably comes off way off base but it's worth mentioning that Apple's new MacBooks also offer greater perfromance than most Ryzen 4000 chips (faster than all in single core, faster than most in multi) while offering pretty HiDPI stuff. Granted no Linux or W10. So the market clearly is there for them to hit.