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The vitriol, if any, comes from eventually having to use products created by programmers without a shred of curiosity, expect everything handed to them, and do

by oefrha 6y ago

The vitriol, if any, comes from eventually having to use products created by programmers without a shred of curiosity, expect everything handed to them, and do the bare minimum to create a semblance of working products. How many times have you used a website/app and it works so bad that you want to hit the programmer who wrote it? Frankly, “why do I need to figure out what PATH means” is shockingly non-curious even among those.

ccmcarey 6y ago
Exactly this. It's frustrating reading this article and the author's comments in this thread as it's apparent that they don't want to put the smallest amount of effort into learning something that is by its nature complicated. They don't want to have to google what $PATH does, they want the browser to come with an IDE (and massively ramping up its complexity because why?) instead of actually downloading an IDE. The author has weirdly treated the problem of not knowing something as that it is wrong that they need to know it.
- oefrha 6y ago
  > The author has weirdly treated the problem of not knowing something as that it is wrong that they need to know it. Yes, that’s TFA in a nutshell. The title is deceptively “normal” though, so lots of people are making good faith attempts at answering the question. Except cloud9, code-server or whatever aren’t what TFA asks for, since you still need to understand what’s going on in the server to use them effectively, you’re only offloading storage and computations to a remote machine.
antisol 6y ago
It could also come from having spent thousands of hours dealing with issues created by this type of person. There's nothing wrong with being new to coding, not knowing things, and making mistakes - it's how we learn - but when you start your article with list of things that you couldn't be bothered to do a web search for, proudly proclaiming your ignorance and unwillingness to learn and expecting me to do your thinking for you, I don't have much interest in being nice and/or trying to teach you stuff.
- oefrha 6y ago
  Yes, there’s substantial overlap between this group and the group who create “does not work (EOM)” issues I expressed immense frustration over the other day: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25758884 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25758884
DangitBobby 6y ago
This is not an excuse for being a dick.
- antisol 6y ago
  I know right. The person who posted this article should have hit up a search engine before wasting all of our time. Very dickish behaviour.
  - DangitBobby 6y ago
    Truly fantastic dialogue

by oefrha 6y ago

ccmcarey 6y ago

Exactly this. It's frustrating reading this article and the author's comments in this thread as it's apparent that they don't want to put the smallest amount of effort into learning something that is by its nature complicated. They don't want to have to google what $PATH does, they want the browser to come with an IDE (and massively ramping up its complexity because why?) instead of actually downloading an IDE. The author has weirdly treated the problem of not knowing something as that it is wrong that they need to know it.

oefrha 6y ago
> The author has weirdly treated the problem of not knowing something as that it is wrong that they need to know it. Yes, that’s TFA in a nutshell. The title is deceptively “normal” though, so lots of people are making good faith attempts at answering the question. Except cloud9, code-server or whatever aren’t what TFA asks for, since you still need to understand what’s going on in the server to use them effectively, you’re only offloading storage and computations to a remote machine.

antisol 6y ago

It could also come from having spent thousands of hours dealing with issues created by this type of person. There's nothing wrong with being new to coding, not knowing things, and making mistakes - it's how we learn - but when you start your article with list of things that you couldn't be bothered to do a web search for, proudly proclaiming your ignorance and unwillingness to learn and expecting me to do your thinking for you, I don't have much interest in being nice and/or trying to teach you stuff.

oefrha 6y ago
Yes, there’s substantial overlap between this group and the group who create “does not work (EOM)” issues I expressed immense frustration over the other day: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25758884 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25758884

DangitBobby 6y ago

This is not an excuse for being a dick.

antisol 6y ago
I know right. The person who posted this article should have hit up a search engine before wasting all of our time. Very dickish behaviour.
- DangitBobby 6y ago
  Truly fantastic dialogue