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Why would you substitute egg in cookies if nearly all of calories come from sugar and flour anyway?

by jiofih 6y ago

weaksauce 6y ago
egg allergies are a thing. people also like to be vegan/vegetarian. also chicken farming is notoriously cruel in a lot of ways though it's getting better.
- jakear 6y ago
  Helps to not cheap out on the eggs you buy. I pay ~$6/dozen (maybe less), but I also get a nice video feed of the chickens on their pasture clucking around and having a grand old time.
  - StrangeOrange 6y ago
    I’d definitely pay more for my veg if they came with videos of them relaxing in the fields.
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pcthrowaway 6y ago
Not sure if this is a serious question, but other than the possibility for allergies and concerns about hormones, eggs cannot produced at mass scale in an economical, sustainable manner, without killing lots of chickens & chicks
- aszantu 6y ago
  eggs can soon be sorted out before there's a chick, saw it the other day. At day 6 they can now tell if it's a male or female egg and put it away, before it's gonna develop.
  - danShumway 6y ago
    It's not that simple. Aborting chicks is better than killing them post-birth, but even so, egg-laying birds will still eventually be killed off and turned into meat/byproducts -- and the cruelty-free environments don't scale. Chickens just aren't really built to lay that many eggs, and ultimately there doesn't seem to be any way to optimize industry-level farming to care about animal health/happiness. At best we get much more expensive products that appeal to a minority of the market. Especially when you realize that a nontrivial percentage of the eggs you eat are coming from restaurants and as ingredients in pre-made foods, where there's basically no current market pressure to ethically source those materials. In theory there could be a version of the egg industry that avoided most of these problems (yes, I know some vegans would view that as non-consensual exploitation anyway) but regardless, practice is still a long, long ways away from theory. I know people like to believe that you can just get cruelty free eggs that solve all of these problems, and you can certainly do a lot better than just buying the cheapest brand -- and I'm not going to shame people, doing better is a good goal to have. A lot of food, even vegan food, has problematic elements that you can dig up, we're all just trying to do a bit better than the default and to be more ethical than we otherwise would be. But while it would be really convenient if the modern egg industry was ethical, it's just very hard to argue that point.
    - lapinot 6y ago
      OTOH if you happen to live in a house with a decent sized garden it's really nice to get chickens. You will treat them with cooking waste (and cereals and ground seashell) and they give you deep orange eggs. Chances are you can save to-be-killed chicken for free, some local farmer gave us a dozen (they're not productive enough for exploitation but still can have a healthy life). IMO the important thing (as always) is DIY: understand how it's done, do it right. The degeneracy of industry for a big part a byproduct of insane scale.
  - jcul 6y ago
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/22/worlds-first-no-kill-eggs-go-on-sale-in-berlin https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/22/worlds-f... I don't think they are widely available yet though. I certainly haven't seen them in my country.
- jamesrcole 6y ago
  > concerns about hormones are there chickens anywhere that are given hormones? As far as I have been able to determine, this is a myth, and the reason they grow quickly is selective breeding. For example, in Australia https://theconversation.com/ten-facts-you-need-to-know-about-the-chicken-and-eggs-on-your-table-61367 https://theconversation.com/ten-facts-you-need-to-know-about...
  - mekkkkkk 6y ago
    If it's the same objection that is raised against milk drinking, then it's more about natural hormones in the milk/egg that is intended for a calf/chick. Not artificially introduced hormones.
m463 6y ago
I think eggs are actually quite healthy, so I assume removing them from a recipe is probably to avoid eggs.
ArchOversight 6y ago
For ethical and moral reasons.

Why would you substitute egg in cookies if nearly all of calories come from sugar and flour anyway?

by jiofih 6y ago

Why would you substitute egg in cookies if nearly all of calories come from sugar and flour anyway?

egg allergies are a thing. people also like to be vegan/vegetarian. also chicken farming is notoriously cruel in a lot of ways though it's getting better.

jakear 6y ago
Helps to not cheap out on the eggs you buy. I pay ~$6/dozen (maybe less), but I also get a nice video feed of the chickens on their pasture clucking around and having a grand old time.
- StrangeOrange 6y ago
  I’d definitely pay more for my veg if they came with videos of them relaxing in the fields.

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pcthrowaway 6y ago

Not sure if this is a serious question, but other than the possibility for allergies and concerns about hormones, eggs cannot produced at mass scale in an economical, sustainable manner, without killing lots of chickens & chicks

aszantu 6y ago
eggs can soon be sorted out before there's a chick, saw it the other day. At day 6 they can now tell if it's a male or female egg and put it away, before it's gonna develop.
- danShumway 6y ago
  It's not that simple. Aborting chicks is better than killing them post-birth, but even so, egg-laying birds will still eventually be killed off and turned into meat/byproducts -- and the cruelty-free environments don't scale. Chickens just aren't really built to lay that many eggs, and ultimately there doesn't seem to be any way to optimize industry-level farming to care about animal health/happiness. At best we get much more expensive products that appeal to a minority of the market. Especially when you realize that a nontrivial percentage of the eggs you eat are coming from restaurants and as ingredients in pre-made foods, where there's basically no current market pressure to ethically source those materials. In theory there could be a version of the egg industry that avoided most of these problems (yes, I know some vegans would view that as non-consensual exploitation anyway) but regardless, practice is still a long, long ways away from theory. I know people like to believe that you can just get cruelty free eggs that solve all of these problems, and you can certainly do a lot better than just buying the cheapest brand -- and I'm not going to shame people, doing better is a good goal to have. A lot of food, even vegan food, has problematic elements that you can dig up, we're all just trying to do a bit better than the default and to be more ethical than we otherwise would be. But while it would be really convenient if the modern egg industry was ethical, it's just very hard to argue that point.
  - lapinot 6y ago
    OTOH if you happen to live in a house with a decent sized garden it's really nice to get chickens. You will treat them with cooking waste (and cereals and ground seashell) and they give you deep orange eggs. Chances are you can save to-be-killed chicken for free, some local farmer gave us a dozen (they're not productive enough for exploitation but still can have a healthy life). IMO the important thing (as always) is DIY: understand how it's done, do it right. The degeneracy of industry for a big part a byproduct of insane scale.
- jcul 6y ago
  https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/22/worlds-first-no-kill-eggs-go-on-sale-in-berlin https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/dec/22/worlds-f... I don't think they are widely available yet though. I certainly haven't seen them in my country.
jamesrcole 6y ago
> concerns about hormones are there chickens anywhere that are given hormones? As far as I have been able to determine, this is a myth, and the reason they grow quickly is selective breeding. For example, in Australia https://theconversation.com/ten-facts-you-need-to-know-about-the-chicken-and-eggs-on-your-table-61367 https://theconversation.com/ten-facts-you-need-to-know-about...
- mekkkkkk 6y ago
  If it's the same objection that is raised against milk drinking, then it's more about natural hormones in the milk/egg that is intended for a calf/chick. Not artificially introduced hormones.

m463 6y ago

I think eggs are actually quite healthy, so I assume removing them from a recipe is probably to avoid eggs.

ArchOversight 6y ago

For ethical and moral reasons.