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Yeah I would hope they adjusted for work. I'm a SWE working remotely until the pandemic is over and the guy at my house today fixing my plumbing is in people's
by zeku 6y ago
Yeah I would hope they adjusted for work. I'm a SWE working remotely until the pandemic is over and the guy at my house today fixing my plumbing is in people's homes every day. It's pretty unfair/easy comparison that doesn't really say much if you don't adjust for work.
- phnofive 6y agoYou might be surprised by the plumber’s income bracket.
- el_benhameen 6y agoThis is a common trope and is true for some journeymen/business owners, but does not necessarily apply to the majority of plumbers and tradespeople in general. The guy that Whoops-O-Rooter sends to your house to snake your drains or fix a leak is not likely to be in a high income bracket.
- jvalencia 6y agoMy contractor service friends spend a goodly portion of their income on Google Ads or their business evaporates.
- TeMPOraL 6y agoA prime example of why advertising is zero-sum and should be restricted across the board. Would free up so much money for businesses to use on something worthwhile, with no net loss in customers.
- XargonEnder 6y agoI see the logic in your argument and if I were king I'd look into this. However in my real life advertising is how I make money and I have to do it to stay in business.
- paxys 6y agoExcept that little thing called freedom of speech gets in the way.
- ywhjaknskkkw 6y agoThat's getting fixed.
- NationalPark 6y agoTo save everyone else from a google, the median plumber income in 2019 was $55,160 according the BLS (https://www.bls.gov/ooh/construction-and-extraction/plumbers-pipefitters-and-steamfitters.htm#:~:text=%2439%2C810-,The%20median%20annual%20wage%20for%20plumbers%2C%20pipefitters%2C%20and%20steamfitters%20was,percent%20earned%20more%20than%20%2497%2C170 https://www.bls.gov/ooh/construction-and-extraction/plumbers...).
- ska 6y agoWhich is about 1/2 the equivalent stat for software devs (https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/software-developers.htm https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/...)
- JMTQp8lwXL 6y agoSurprising how the BLS numbers seem so far off from what's seen on Levels.fyi. Possible explanations: they only factor in base salary (no RSUs or bonuses), the bay area employs a proportionally small number of SWEs (such that the median is reflective of other, cheaper areas), or non-traditional jobs are getting grouped with SWEs as a single career category.
- ska 6y agolevels.fyi is not really a good representation of income for even the Bay area, let alone the industry as a whole. I don't know why people get confused by this; most people working SWE in the bay area will never see a vaunted Levels.fyi equivalent salary (although most of them will exceed national averages for software). Basing your understanding of software salaries across the industry on levels.fyi is a bit like basing an understanding of national lawyer salaries on a sampling from top NYC corporate law firms. (NB there is some sprinkling of other useful salary info on levels.fyi, but people focus on the FAANG and similar companies, and the data is much better there)
- JMTQp8lwXL 6y ago
- throwaway0a5e 6y agoYou don't make squat until you own your own business (though there are some exceptions for commercial work). Which you can't do until you've put your years in thanks to protectionist licensing schemes.
- tinus_hn 6y agoAlso if you live in a mansion and can afford delivery instead of living in an apartment and getting groceries after work.
- vkou 6y agoMost grocery stores now offer curbside pickup at no extra cost. There are some non-monetary inconveniences associated with this. In aggregate, they are probably less significant than the monetary and non-monetary inconveniences of having the chance to catch COVID-19 inside the grocery.