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Can't help to apply that model in my mind to our industry, ie to the phenomenon of "The Cloud" brainwash during most of the last decade, driven by an unholy al

Can't help to apply that model in my mind to our industry, ie to the phenomenon of "The Cloud" brainwash during most of the last decade, driven by an unholy alliance of Big Tech and Big Media, and amplified by a generation of freshman hungry for tech news and SV capital.

bsenftner 6y ago
Totally agree, and we'll be downvoted for our opinions. The Cloud brainwash has achieved "common knowledge" even though it's an expensive farce. Creating and operating one's own data center is easy-peasy and literally saves millions - but nooooo....
- cyberdelica 6y ago
  Yes, I also agree, and would argue that it applies more to "the cloud" groupthink, than it does to the election riot, or Parler. After all, the Trump/Parler supporters, can hardly be claimed as self selecting balkanisation, when they've been made into pariahs, and deplatformed every which way from Sunday. The "cloud" has always had a funny smell to me, even when it first started to become popular. All tech companies should attempt to be in charge of their own destiny, by creating their own infrastructure, where at all possible.
- pbronez 6y ago
  > Creating and operating one's own data center is easy-peasy Building, maintaining and operating data centers is not easy nor cheap. It requires expertise in everything from physical construction to thermal engineering to networking. It requires significant amounts of capital. It takes months to years to complete. Sure, many organizations have the resources and expertise to do this. But MANY more people just want to put up a web page or crunch some data. Using the cloud allows you to try things faster and with lower risk. Obviously you can save money in the long run by investing in vertical integration al the way down to the physical data center, but ONLY if you have access to the capital and you have enough demand to keep the utilization up. Oh and you have to have the management capability to handle all those contracts, recruit and manage all the relevant people, etc.
  - bsenftner 6y ago
    > Building, maintaining and operating data centers is not easy nor cheap. It requires expertise in everything from physical construction to thermal engineering to networking. It requires significant amounts of capital. It takes months to years to complete. compete with who? If you simply want to save thousands of dollars every month, start with a single 1/4 cabinet at a colo and build up from there as one's needs grow. There is no need for the extreme expense view you state. One $8K server placed in a colo pays for itself in two weeks! I am only discussing people that require computation for what they do. If you're just "showing a web page" get out of this discussion. I'm talking about people that require computation above some bloated react framework displaying pretty interfaces for consumer time wasting.

bsenftner 6y ago

Totally agree, and we'll be downvoted for our opinions. The Cloud brainwash has achieved "common knowledge" even though it's an expensive farce. Creating and operating one's own data center is easy-peasy and literally saves millions - but nooooo....

cyberdelica 6y ago
Yes, I also agree, and would argue that it applies more to "the cloud" groupthink, than it does to the election riot, or Parler. After all, the Trump/Parler supporters, can hardly be claimed as self selecting balkanisation, when they've been made into pariahs, and deplatformed every which way from Sunday. The "cloud" has always had a funny smell to me, even when it first started to become popular. All tech companies should attempt to be in charge of their own destiny, by creating their own infrastructure, where at all possible.
pbronez 6y ago
> Creating and operating one's own data center is easy-peasy Building, maintaining and operating data centers is not easy nor cheap. It requires expertise in everything from physical construction to thermal engineering to networking. It requires significant amounts of capital. It takes months to years to complete. Sure, many organizations have the resources and expertise to do this. But MANY more people just want to put up a web page or crunch some data. Using the cloud allows you to try things faster and with lower risk. Obviously you can save money in the long run by investing in vertical integration al the way down to the physical data center, but ONLY if you have access to the capital and you have enough demand to keep the utilization up. Oh and you have to have the management capability to handle all those contracts, recruit and manage all the relevant people, etc.
- bsenftner 6y ago
  > Building, maintaining and operating data centers is not easy nor cheap. It requires expertise in everything from physical construction to thermal engineering to networking. It requires significant amounts of capital. It takes months to years to complete. compete with who? If you simply want to save thousands of dollars every month, start with a single 1/4 cabinet at a colo and build up from there as one's needs grow. There is no need for the extreme expense view you state. One $8K server placed in a colo pays for itself in two weeks! I am only discussing people that require computation for what they do. If you're just "showing a web page" get out of this discussion. I'm talking about people that require computation above some bloated react framework displaying pretty interfaces for consumer time wasting.