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An Apple employee tweeted after the news with 11.0 that this was a bug so I'm not surprised, but happy to see it fixed!

by SmileyKeith 6y ago

devin 6y ago
Link?
- _qulr 6y ago
  There's no link because the tweet was deleted soon afterward. The tweet seems to have been very ill-advised. I don't know how anyone can describe this as a "bug", because as the linked article describes, there's an explicit "ContentFilterExclusionList" in the Info.plist file with a list of the specific Apple services excluded. That's not by accident, it's by design.
  - nytgop77 6y ago
    bug was in the design. (or in decision leading to design)
    - chipotle_coyote 6y ago
      I don't think I'd call it a bug. It's a poor decision. I can easily believe that it wasn't a decision made with malicious intent; the culture at Apple seems (at least from the outside, judging by results) to encourage an "it's okay to give our own software special exceptions" mentality.
      - saagarjha 6y ago
        You could call it an entitled opinion.
        chipotle_coyote 6y ago
        I see what you did there. (+1.)
    - dingaling 6y ago
      A bug is unintentional, through error or coincidence of unforeseen circumstances. Coding a feature and providing a configuration file thereto is not a bug.
- LinusS1 6y ago
  https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-removes-feature-that-allowed-its-apps-to-bypass-macos-firewalls-and-vpns/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-removes-feature-that-all... "The bugs were related to Apple deprecating network kernel extensions (NKEs) in Big Sur and introducing a new system called Network Extension Framework, and Apple engineers not having enough time to iron out all the bugs before the Big Sur launch last fall."
_the_inflator 6y ago
A bug? Not a feature? Glad they changed their mind anyway.
matkoniecz 6y ago
Adding entire feature without justification (ContentFilterExclusionList) is not a bug. Calling it a bug is misleading.
- audunw 6y ago
  The feature could be a workaround for a bug. That is, one of their internal services didn't handle being blocked well, and instead of fixing that service they just added that feature as a temporary workaround to make sure the new firewall functionality didn't break any important/core features of MacOS I'm not saying this is what happened, but without actually knowing what happened we can't assume the intention was to exclude everything in this list forever either.

An Apple employee tweeted after the news with 11.0 that this was a bug so I'm not surprised, but happy to see it fixed!

devin 6y ago

Link?

_qulr 6y ago
There's no link because the tweet was deleted soon afterward. The tweet seems to have been very ill-advised. I don't know how anyone can describe this as a "bug", because as the linked article describes, there's an explicit "ContentFilterExclusionList" in the Info.plist file with a list of the specific Apple services excluded. That's not by accident, it's by design.
- nytgop77 6y ago
  bug was in the design. (or in decision leading to design)
  - chipotle_coyote 6y ago
    I don't think I'd call it a bug. It's a poor decision. I can easily believe that it wasn't a decision made with malicious intent; the culture at Apple seems (at least from the outside, judging by results) to encourage an "it's okay to give our own software special exceptions" mentality.
    - saagarjha 6y ago
      You could call it an entitled opinion.
      - chipotle_coyote 6y ago
        I see what you did there. (+1.)
  - dingaling 6y ago
    A bug is unintentional, through error or coincidence of unforeseen circumstances. Coding a feature and providing a configuration file thereto is not a bug.
LinusS1 6y ago
https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-removes-feature-that-allowed-its-apps-to-bypass-macos-firewalls-and-vpns/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-removes-feature-that-all... "The bugs were related to Apple deprecating network kernel extensions (NKEs) in Big Sur and introducing a new system called Network Extension Framework, and Apple engineers not having enough time to iron out all the bugs before the Big Sur launch last fall."

_the_inflator 6y ago

A bug? Not a feature? Glad they changed their mind anyway.

matkoniecz 6y ago

Adding entire feature without justification (ContentFilterExclusionList) is not a bug. Calling it a bug is misleading.

audunw 6y ago
The feature could be a workaround for a bug. That is, one of their internal services didn't handle being blocked well, and instead of fixing that service they just added that feature as a temporary workaround to make sure the new firewall functionality didn't break any important/core features of MacOS I'm not saying this is what happened, but without actually knowing what happened we can't assume the intention was to exclude everything in this list forever either.