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Indeed, a similar situation happened in the mid 2000's before Intel moved to the Core architecture. I wouldn't be surprised if something like this happened aga
by icedchai 6y ago
Indeed, a similar situation happened in the mid 2000's before Intel moved to the Core architecture. I wouldn't be surprised if something like this happened again.
- chrisseaton 6y agoI’m almost positive Intel have tech ready to deploy to be on top again. They will have been developing it... but not needed to use it until they came under competition pressure.
- monocasa 6y agoJim Keller's apparent rage quit has me questioning that. I was bullish on Intel until quite recently. I was able to convince myself that they were taking the L on 10nm to focus completely on a full, true EUV transition, in order to be at the top of the game just everyone else was hitting that wall in order to dominate again. That turned out to be overly optimistic.
- sunstone 6y agoYes I agree. Jim Keller was the canary in the coal mine. When he left without finishing his assignment, after a decades long reputation for excellence at multiple companies, that was a clear signal to sell your Intel stock. Intel could be the new Northern Telecom (though I felt the same way about Microsoft ten years ago and ... it didn't turn out as expected)
- cameldrv 6y agoI agree. From an investment perspective though, there is enormous potential in Mobileye. They're way off in Israel, so they don't get the attention of the valley SDC companies, but they are way ahead of many, many others.
- sunstone 6y agoIf so I believe this would be the second time that Israel has saved Intel's bacon. The first time being a microprocessor replacement for the power hungry Pentium III in the early 2000's.
- imtringued 6y agoThey can do it but will they? Intel isn't known for being a well managed company internally.
- galaxyLogic 6y agoBut there's the new CEO. Only the CEO can improve the overall management of the company
- thisisnico 6y agoThe Core Architecture in the mid 2000's was such an incredible shot back to the top. I remember seeing the benchmarks absolutely dominate AMD on every level, power, performance, TDP, Cost, etc. etc. This is almost immediately after Athlon 64 and the Athlon 64X2 started to gain market share, spanking Intel's Pentium 4 at the time. IIRC Intel ended up dropping the Prescott architecture, moving to the Pentium M architecture for development of the Core CPU's. Moving away from chasing max frequencies, and instead looking at IPC. Then Nehalem Dropped, (The first Core i CPU's) making the gap even larger. Q6600, Quad Core, Low power, decent cost. That was the CPU to have at the time. I miss the days reading about all of this.
- ReptileMan 6y agoAnd you could overclock them almost 50% and at factory speeds they didn't need a fan, just a heatsink. Those were the days.
- nwmcsween 6y agoThis just puts into perspective how stagnate cpus have been, ~14 years and we are just starting to move to more than 4 core processors on prosumer systems.
- thisisnico 6y agoSad really. I was so passionate about hardware then. I lost interest because the innovation just dropped off a cliff. We were nearly exponential before the Core i series. Interestingly during that period Servers have had many-core CPU's. It just seems that Intel hasn't had a reason to push the envelope on the consumer side.
- wbl 6y agoPour one out for Denard scaling.
- kilburn 6y agoTo be fair, the move started a while back (arguably in 2017 with the introduction of the Ryzen CPUs). For instance, Steam's hardware report indicates that 1/3 of their install base already has 6 cores or more [1]. [1] https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/cpus/ https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/cpus/
- ardy42 6y ago> Indeed, a similar situation happened in the mid 2000's before Intel moved to the Core architecture. I wouldn't be surprised if something like this happened again. Though that may have been a bit easier for them to solve, because the main thing they had to do was scrap NetBurst (Pentium 4) and return to a derivative their old architecture (which they were still using for the notebook market).
- raverbashing 6y agoCorrect, they only had to quit being led by their own marketing BS about "higher clock rates are faster"
- AmVess 6y agoIntel has been bleeding engineers to other firms for a while now, and new talent has been skipping them altogether. These are not good developments for a company that depends on brain power to make their products.
- gtirloni 6y ago> new talent has been skipping them altogether I'd be interested in hearing more about this. Are new graduates actually not applying?
- icedchai 6y agoIntel is an enormous company with over 100,000 employees and an enormous stockpile of cash. I think they'll be okay.
- bcrl 6y agoThe Titanic was a state of the art ship. It still sunk.