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Would be pretty easy for Apple and Google to remove them from stores

by kerng 6y ago

bilbo0s 6y ago
If they don't moderate better, I'm sure Apple would love to use that as an excuse to remove FB from its stores. If Apple thought they could get away with it, they would. And they probably could get away with it if FB provided them with a solid enough pretext. FB is probably praying that the Inauguration goes off without a hitch, or that's the deathnell for the light content moderation regime of FB.
- colejohnson66 6y ago
  I’ve reported so many comments that are clearly TOS breaking (such as ones saying it’s ok to be violent against politicians who failed us (or even ones saying one of them should be shot)), but they say they “don’t violate their community standards”. It’s garbage. And when you “appeal”, they say “no, we looked at it again, and it’s still ok”. I’ve given up on hoping FB moderation improves. They need to be smacked down hard. What good is “community standards” if they’re not enforced? Instagram, interestingly, it a lot more heavy handed (still not great though). Joan Cornella[0], who makes surrealist(?) comic strips, has posted on his IG story about his posts being removed for “violence” or whatever. [0]: https://instagram.com/sirjoancornella https://instagram.com/sirjoancornella
  - pstuart 6y ago
    Probably more luck on reporting pictures with nipples.
- nradov 6y ago
  Nope. Facebook (including Instagram) are huge sales drivers for Apple. Millions of customers buy new devices every year primarily to use those social networks. Apple isn't stupid enough to cut that off just because a tiny minority of people are upset about some fringe Facebook posts.
  - bilbo0s 6y ago
    You're misunderstanding. Apple doesn't care about FB driving sales, people would by Apple devices FB or no FB. Apple doesn't care about Pro-Trump loonies. (Or rather, they only care that the Pro-Trump loonies give them a pretext.) What they care about is the opportunity shift more content from the control of large competitors, to content that is centered and dependent on their devices. I'll give you a for instance, have you ever wondered why they are so hesitant to allow other providers to link in to their messaging games tech? They're slowly moving into these more social networking type areas, and very few consumers are even noticing. For consumers they just think, "Hey! look what my iphone does now!" If you think Apple needs the money FB generates for them more than they want the money they can generate for themselves, you're fooling yourself. In short, with Apple, it's not about social good, it's about money. They don't care about your cause, nor your enemy's. They care about gaining greater control over more and more revenue streams. If they can use social good to justify that revenue grab, all the better. Anti trust law is what keeps Apple in line, not their FB partnership.
    - nradov 6y ago
      No that's not how it works. Apple will never give up the hardware sales driven by billions of Facebook users worldwide. Apple will bend over backwards and make exceptions to their rules in order to keep Facebook, at least until users switch to different social network.
      - bilbo0s 6y ago
        As I said, if you believe FB drives Apple sales, you're misguided. Apple is not your friend, and they are certainly no friend of FB. (FB is not your friend either, but that's a separate issue.) If FB was shut down tomorrow, people would still go to their Apple stores the day after. That's just reality.
daniellarusso 6y ago
Is it not integrated into their mobile OSs? Not to mention its use for SSO.
- deleted 6y ago
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- yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
  > Is it not integrated into their mobile OSs? No? Some Android phones ship with it pre-installed, but that's it.

Would be pretty easy for Apple and Google to remove them from stores

by kerng 6y ago

Would be pretty easy for Apple and Google to remove them from stores

If they don't moderate better, I'm sure Apple would love to use that as an excuse to remove FB from its stores. If Apple thought they could get away with it, they would. And they probably could get away with it if FB provided them with a solid enough pretext. FB is probably praying that the Inauguration goes off without a hitch, or that's the deathnell for the light content moderation regime of FB.

colejohnson66 6y ago
I’ve reported so many comments that are clearly TOS breaking (such as ones saying it’s ok to be violent against politicians who failed us (or even ones saying one of them should be shot)), but they say they “don’t violate their community standards”. It’s garbage. And when you “appeal”, they say “no, we looked at it again, and it’s still ok”. I’ve given up on hoping FB moderation improves. They need to be smacked down hard. What good is “community standards” if they’re not enforced? Instagram, interestingly, it a lot more heavy handed (still not great though). Joan Cornella[0], who makes surrealist(?) comic strips, has posted on his IG story about his posts being removed for “violence” or whatever. [0]: https://instagram.com/sirjoancornella https://instagram.com/sirjoancornella
- pstuart 6y ago
  Probably more luck on reporting pictures with nipples.
nradov 6y ago
Nope. Facebook (including Instagram) are huge sales drivers for Apple. Millions of customers buy new devices every year primarily to use those social networks. Apple isn't stupid enough to cut that off just because a tiny minority of people are upset about some fringe Facebook posts.
- bilbo0s 6y ago
  You're misunderstanding. Apple doesn't care about FB driving sales, people would by Apple devices FB or no FB. Apple doesn't care about Pro-Trump loonies. (Or rather, they only care that the Pro-Trump loonies give them a pretext.) What they care about is the opportunity shift more content from the control of large competitors, to content that is centered and dependent on their devices. I'll give you a for instance, have you ever wondered why they are so hesitant to allow other providers to link in to their messaging games tech? They're slowly moving into these more social networking type areas, and very few consumers are even noticing. For consumers they just think, "Hey! look what my iphone does now!" If you think Apple needs the money FB generates for them more than they want the money they can generate for themselves, you're fooling yourself. In short, with Apple, it's not about social good, it's about money. They don't care about your cause, nor your enemy's. They care about gaining greater control over more and more revenue streams. If they can use social good to justify that revenue grab, all the better. Anti trust law is what keeps Apple in line, not their FB partnership.
  - nradov 6y ago
    No that's not how it works. Apple will never give up the hardware sales driven by billions of Facebook users worldwide. Apple will bend over backwards and make exceptions to their rules in order to keep Facebook, at least until users switch to different social network.
    - bilbo0s 6y ago
      As I said, if you believe FB drives Apple sales, you're misguided. Apple is not your friend, and they are certainly no friend of FB. (FB is not your friend either, but that's a separate issue.) If FB was shut down tomorrow, people would still go to their Apple stores the day after. That's just reality.

daniellarusso 6y ago

Is it not integrated into their mobile OSs? Not to mention its use for SSO.

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yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
> Is it not integrated into their mobile OSs? No? Some Android phones ship with it pre-installed, but that's it.