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I read this slightly differently, but I think it's the same mechanism. I wrote a fairly popular comment on it in 2017: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1330
by barrkel 6y ago
I read this slightly differently, but I think it's the same mechanism. I wrote a fairly popular comment on it in 2017: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13306700 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13306700
Mass markets drive down median quality through price competition, while quality products move upmarket due to loss of scale. Instead of decent quality for a decent price, you end up with abundant dirt-cheap crap, and a few high-end boutiques, if they're even in your area / available for you to order from.
The text of my old comment:
The hollowing out of the middle ground seems to happen in most commoditized markets.
Take meat. Used to be you'd go to the butcher for your meat, and you'd get a reasonably good product, from a butcher who knew where the meat came from, probably even the farmer who reared the meat. That was the way almost everybody got their meat, so the fixed overheads of having a butcher shop was spread over a large customer base.
Move along a couple of decades. Supermarkets, with their more efficient logistics, eat into the meat trade. Butcher shops almost completely disappear. But supermarket meat goes through a longer supply chain with larger suppliers that have the efficiencies of scale to cope with the pricing power supermarkets have. The butcher shops that survive turn into boutiques, where their unique selling proposition is what used to be commonplace: that they know where the meat is coming from and probably know the farmer that reared it.
The market bifurcates into two basic strategies, low price and high quality (see also Porter's Cost Leadership and Differentiation).
The consumer who's willing to pay a little bit more for a little bit more quality ends up having to pay a lot more rather than a little bit more, because the pool of people who could spread the fixed costs of the higher quality is split - most go for the lowest priced product. There's a ratchet effect, where slightly higher quality products are, at the margin, increasingly expensive because there's no scale in that strategy: the more expensive they become the less uptake they get, which means they have less scale, which means they become more expensive.
In some ways it's a collective action problem: what would be a better outcome for a large group of people can't really occur because individual actions can't sustain a stable state change. In other ways - many, if not most economists believe this - it's a better outcome overall, because more people get to use the bargain basement product.
But I think people in the middle are usually worse off in commoditized markets.
- clairity 6y agoin functional, competitive markets, you'd have a range of segmentation between price competition and quality competition (i.e., various differentiation strategies for diverse segments, not just one luxury segment). our markets are far from functional and competitive however, and we've let them consolidate in scope, power, and regulatory capture for far too long.
- wazoox 6y agoDo functional, competitive markets really exist? The true nature of markets doesn't seem to be equilibrium, but brutal swings between various local optima (which generally are pretty mediocre overall).
- MichaelZuo 6y agoThis, the existence of Nash equilibria is practically guaranteed according to game theory. And of course switching implies frictional costs, activation energy, and so on in addition to the actual change. If we define “functional, competitive markets” to mean no strange equilibriums then they certainly don’t exist on this planet.
- Karrot_Kream 6y ago> This, the existence of Nash equilibria Additionally there are a lot of assumptions that go into proving that markets have Nash equilibria, such as convex utility functions, and perfect information, which is often not true in reality.
- clairity 6y agomarkets are dynamic, but not so chaotic to swing brutally (among attractors), as you put it. certainly some markets are in that stage now, but certainly not all or even most. early on, markets tend to grow to an unsustainable number of participants, and then as participants figure out marketing and their own strengths and fits, they start to whittle down. in the best markets (for consumers; but that are also sustainable for providers), you'd have maybe tens of competitors (i.e., not 3 or 300), depending on market characteristics (like being capital-intensive or not, free cash flow restricted or not, etc.). the problem with our markets is that we've long given up on providing the right amount of regulation to maintain that consumer-optimum, which can be stable in isolation, but for which the highly dynamic politico-social context often destabilizes. so it takes work and vigilence to maintain the optimum, and we don't have that in most (all?) markets.