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In the near future, storage will be a home appliance, with networking and command-and-control. As simple to use as a microwave, unlimited storage with service p

In the near future, storage will be a home appliance, with networking and command-and-control. As simple to use as a microwave, unlimited storage with service plans similar to changing water filters.

qmmmur 6y ago
Is this sarcasm?
- triceratops 6y ago
  Sounds reasonable to me. We already have homes with outlandish smart stuff (washers and dryers, I mean really!). If you have a fridge to store your food and a closet to store your clothes, why not a personal data storage unit?
  - themacguffinman 6y ago
    Because it's not necessary and pointlessly inconvenient for most people? If you could store your food and clothes in the cloud, we wouldn't have fridges and closets either.
    - triceratops 6y ago
      That's true. Have an upvote.
  - qmmmur 6y ago
    Yeah we could call them hard drives and sell them in shops.
I_complete_me 6y ago
I agree. This week I set up my Nextcloud on a remote server and will probably get a home appliance eventually. I don't detect any sarcasm. Am I naive?
- johnbrodie 6y ago
  I did the same thing over the past few weeks, along with some other self-hosted apps to get rid of as many SaaS dependencies as possible, DropBox being one of them. Fairly easy to install, but someone would need to write the "glue" to piece everything together for it to really take off.
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- jjoonathan 6y ago
  Yes. Source: someone who just declared Dropbox critical despite having invested an ungodly amount of time into first an old PC with ubuntu and nextcloud and now my NAS box which I love dearly but is a complete dumpster fire even though I'm tech-literate enough to engage with the enormous number of low-level decisions it regularly throws at me. It gets new security vulnerabilities every damn week so you can't just turn on the public-facing web services. If you still want those -- and if you want it to replace cloud services, you do -- you'll need to configure the VPN, which is an enormous hassle on both client and server. Also, sometimes there's an update and it just stops working until you pay attention to it. Ditto for network shares, but I think the problem there is in Android / iOS network filesystem implementations. It often Just Doesn't Work, and then I try dropbox and it Just Works. Even when the NAS network share does work, managing permissions is a nightmare, even for simple setups, ditto storage, ditto the VM that theoretically runs nextcloud but in practice gets taken down by an update on a regular basis. For my next NAS I'm going to try Synology, but they depend on many of the same open source projects that I've seen Just Not Working on the QNAP side, so I'm not terribly hopeful. Nextcloud devices look promising in the long run but the market hasn't shaken out yet so you're either going to have to invest tons of time in research or you're going to have to do trial and error. In both cases you'll have to make up for deficiencies. https://nextcloud.com/devices/ https://nextcloud.com/devices/
  - aborsy 6y ago
    I agree without vpn nas security can be poor. There are a lot of open ports handled by obscure applications. What would be the difficulty with a vpn? Synology has VPN on device. It seems to be a matter of enabling it. Routers also typically include vpn functionality.
aksss 6y ago
and here I was thinking that in the near past that's what I used to do (storage appliance, networked, remote accessible).

In the near future, storage will be a home appliance, with networking and command-and-control. As simple to use as a microwave, unlimited storage with service plans similar to changing water filters.

qmmmur 6y ago

Is this sarcasm?

triceratops 6y ago
Sounds reasonable to me. We already have homes with outlandish smart stuff (washers and dryers, I mean really!). If you have a fridge to store your food and a closet to store your clothes, why not a personal data storage unit?
- themacguffinman 6y ago
  Because it's not necessary and pointlessly inconvenient for most people? If you could store your food and clothes in the cloud, we wouldn't have fridges and closets either.
  - triceratops 6y ago
    That's true. Have an upvote.
- qmmmur 6y ago
  Yeah we could call them hard drives and sell them in shops.

I_complete_me 6y ago

I agree. This week I set up my Nextcloud on a remote server and will probably get a home appliance eventually. I don't detect any sarcasm. Am I naive?

johnbrodie 6y ago
I did the same thing over the past few weeks, along with some other self-hosted apps to get rid of as many SaaS dependencies as possible, DropBox being one of them. Fairly easy to install, but someone would need to write the "glue" to piece everything together for it to really take off.
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jjoonathan 6y ago
Yes. Source: someone who just declared Dropbox critical despite having invested an ungodly amount of time into first an old PC with ubuntu and nextcloud and now my NAS box which I love dearly but is a complete dumpster fire even though I'm tech-literate enough to engage with the enormous number of low-level decisions it regularly throws at me. It gets new security vulnerabilities every damn week so you can't just turn on the public-facing web services. If you still want those -- and if you want it to replace cloud services, you do -- you'll need to configure the VPN, which is an enormous hassle on both client and server. Also, sometimes there's an update and it just stops working until you pay attention to it. Ditto for network shares, but I think the problem there is in Android / iOS network filesystem implementations. It often Just Doesn't Work, and then I try dropbox and it Just Works. Even when the NAS network share does work, managing permissions is a nightmare, even for simple setups, ditto storage, ditto the VM that theoretically runs nextcloud but in practice gets taken down by an update on a regular basis. For my next NAS I'm going to try Synology, but they depend on many of the same open source projects that I've seen Just Not Working on the QNAP side, so I'm not terribly hopeful. Nextcloud devices look promising in the long run but the market hasn't shaken out yet so you're either going to have to invest tons of time in research or you're going to have to do trial and error. In both cases you'll have to make up for deficiencies. https://nextcloud.com/devices/ https://nextcloud.com/devices/
- aborsy 6y ago
  I agree without vpn nas security can be poor. There are a lot of open ports handled by obscure applications. What would be the difficulty with a vpn? Synology has VPN on device. It seems to be a matter of enabling it. Routers also typically include vpn functionality.

aksss 6y ago

and here I was thinking that in the near past that's what I used to do (storage appliance, networked, remote accessible).