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I think you are vastly underestimating the revolution of what the M1 represents to the PC industry.

tw04 6y ago
I think you are vastly overestimating the "revolution" of what the M1 represents to the industry. Apple isn't selling it to any other PC makers, and corporations aren't pivoting away from Microsoft for a CPU. Every single ARM chip that's been targeted at the Windows world has produced yawn-inducing performance.
icedchai 6y ago
M1 is amazing. I think people are also underestimating how fast Intel can catch up.
fxtentacle 6y ago
I think you are vastly underestimating how hard IT departments will kick you if you request or bring a device that cannot properly execute the company-critical legacy Windows x64 software. Like SAP, for example. (SAP is the largest non-American software company by revenue and does business management, workflow automation, and bookkeeping) My prediction is that outside of hipster startups, M1 will have no effect on business laptop sales.
- KptMarchewa 6y ago
  Isn't sap a database? Why would you want users to run db on laptop, especially on windows?
  - fxtentacle 6y ago
    No, SAP is more like an Operating System for your factories. It contains EVERYTHING, from payroll to inventory management. Think of it more like an Exchange server plus all Microsoft office apps combined. To connect to the Exchange server and get all features, you need Outlook. It's the same with the SAP database and SAP client GUIs. The official GUI is C++ and Windows only. They do have a Java port for other OSes, and some 3rd party GUIs, but none of that is feature-complete or even halfway there.
  - jaywalk 6y ago
    SAP is so many things that their Products page has search functionality and is broken down by first letter: https://www.sap.com/products-a-z.html https://www.sap.com/products-a-z.html So no, SAP is not a database and has many client applications that would run on a laptop.
  - ido 6y ago
    SAP is lots of enterprise software stuff, not just a DB.
- cyxxon 6y ago
  But then again, the current version of SAP is S/4 HANA, and unless you are a developer or admin for that, you will be using their Fiori based web clients, so a normal browser is enough. I am a developer in an S/4 rollout project in a Windows-only shop, but for our future system landscape I could see the normal people using the SAP systems using any kind of laptop or tablet. Even we are testing iPads and laptops at least.
- mschuster91 6y ago
  > I think you are vastly underestimating how hard IT departments will kick you if you request or bring a device that cannot properly execute the company-critical legacy Windows x64 software. Like SAP, for example. Many companies have long ago set up some beefy Citrix servers for those application.
- huac 6y ago
  M1 with Rosetta emulation is still faster or comparable to top Windows laptops, with room to run for M2.
- jolux 6y ago
  >My prediction is that outside of hipster startups, M1 will have no effect on business laptop sales. This is what everyone always says but the iPhone kicked off a whole BYOD trend that has ended up with many high-value employees caring a lot about what tools they have to use, and a lot of software engineers want Macs.
- parasubvert 6y ago
  I’ve used (and developed software for, and helped administer) SAP from my Mac on and off for 20 years. Tends to be easier these days now that everything is mobile and web. A lot bigger companies than “Hipster startups” use Macs, this tends to start with the C-suite and people follow suit. My point also wasn’t that everyone was going to switch to Mac. It was that M1 proves you can build a “better in every way” PC with an ARM architecture. Linux ARM is also being pushed by AWS heavily from the server side with impressive price/performance numbers. Windows ARM has been failing for many years, but I suspect this is going to change. Microsoft has a talented virtualization group, where the HyperV roots go back to the Connectix Virtual PC team that built PPC/x86 emulation for the Mac. I suspect they can pull off something like Rosetta - they just need a chipmaker to collaborate with. Might even be Intel! Pat Gelsinger is an outside of the box thinker. You remind me of folks that thought the iPhone / iPad would have no impact on Blackberry sales, as real businesses need keyboards.

tw04 6y ago

I think you are vastly overestimating the "revolution" of what the M1 represents to the industry. Apple isn't selling it to any other PC makers, and corporations aren't pivoting away from Microsoft for a CPU. Every single ARM chip that's been targeted at the Windows world has produced yawn-inducing performance.

icedchai 6y ago

M1 is amazing. I think people are also underestimating how fast Intel can catch up.

fxtentacle 6y ago

I think you are vastly underestimating how hard IT departments will kick you if you request or bring a device that cannot properly execute the company-critical legacy Windows x64 software. Like SAP, for example. (SAP is the largest non-American software company by revenue and does business management, workflow automation, and bookkeeping) My prediction is that outside of hipster startups, M1 will have no effect on business laptop sales.

KptMarchewa 6y ago
Isn't sap a database? Why would you want users to run db on laptop, especially on windows?
- fxtentacle 6y ago
  No, SAP is more like an Operating System for your factories. It contains EVERYTHING, from payroll to inventory management. Think of it more like an Exchange server plus all Microsoft office apps combined. To connect to the Exchange server and get all features, you need Outlook. It's the same with the SAP database and SAP client GUIs. The official GUI is C++ and Windows only. They do have a Java port for other OSes, and some 3rd party GUIs, but none of that is feature-complete or even halfway there.
- jaywalk 6y ago
  SAP is so many things that their Products page has search functionality and is broken down by first letter: https://www.sap.com/products-a-z.html https://www.sap.com/products-a-z.html So no, SAP is not a database and has many client applications that would run on a laptop.
- ido 6y ago
  SAP is lots of enterprise software stuff, not just a DB.
cyxxon 6y ago
But then again, the current version of SAP is S/4 HANA, and unless you are a developer or admin for that, you will be using their Fiori based web clients, so a normal browser is enough. I am a developer in an S/4 rollout project in a Windows-only shop, but for our future system landscape I could see the normal people using the SAP systems using any kind of laptop or tablet. Even we are testing iPads and laptops at least.
mschuster91 6y ago
> I think you are vastly underestimating how hard IT departments will kick you if you request or bring a device that cannot properly execute the company-critical legacy Windows x64 software. Like SAP, for example. Many companies have long ago set up some beefy Citrix servers for those application.
huac 6y ago
M1 with Rosetta emulation is still faster or comparable to top Windows laptops, with room to run for M2.
jolux 6y ago
>My prediction is that outside of hipster startups, M1 will have no effect on business laptop sales. This is what everyone always says but the iPhone kicked off a whole BYOD trend that has ended up with many high-value employees caring a lot about what tools they have to use, and a lot of software engineers want Macs.
parasubvert 6y ago
I’ve used (and developed software for, and helped administer) SAP from my Mac on and off for 20 years. Tends to be easier these days now that everything is mobile and web. A lot bigger companies than “Hipster startups” use Macs, this tends to start with the C-suite and people follow suit. My point also wasn’t that everyone was going to switch to Mac. It was that M1 proves you can build a “better in every way” PC with an ARM architecture. Linux ARM is also being pushed by AWS heavily from the server side with impressive price/performance numbers. Windows ARM has been failing for many years, but I suspect this is going to change. Microsoft has a talented virtualization group, where the HyperV roots go back to the Connectix Virtual PC team that built PPC/x86 emulation for the Mac. I suspect they can pull off something like Rosetta - they just need a chipmaker to collaborate with. Might even be Intel! Pat Gelsinger is an outside of the box thinker. You remind me of folks that thought the iPhone / iPad would have no impact on Blackberry sales, as real businesses need keyboards.