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> Some material is better taught in an async fashion. Based on the experience of teaching this semester by multiple colleagues, the problem, of course, is that

> Some material is better taught in an async fashion. Based on the experience of teaching this semester by multiple colleagues, the problem, of course, is that students will not consume that material at all. If you try to do short quizzes to ensure they watched it, they will cheat, or just take the grade penalty. The problem with online is that the the modicum of shame present in offline classes that forces them to pay some attention, is almost completely gone.

atmosx 6y ago
If we're going to base our educational system in shaming and pushing "knowledge" down the throat of uninterested group of ppl, then we might want to start asking "why are these ppl uninterested?" and "how we can change that?", "why uninterested parties in X took the subject", etc.
- abdullahkhalids 6y ago
  Shame is completely natural emotion that exists in a wide variety of human social interactions to modulate behavior. Sometimes it is negative, sometimes it is positive. Here is a positive example: https://habitica.com/ https://habitica.com/ In education, fear of failing your in front of your peers or teachers is a strong motivator for most people. It is a positive thing in most such cases. > "why uninterested parties in X took the subject" As for this, it is known, that sometimes in life we have to beneficial things that we hate. Like washing the dishes. We are not "basing our educational system on it", but part of it will often be beneficial+uninteresting.
- watwut 6y ago
  You can be generally interested in subject and still not be in mood to pay attention this week. It is completely normal for humans to have ups and downs in motivation or to find some part of material more interesting then others. Or to be tired because you stayed too late last night. It is also completely normal for humans to be disorganized or procastinate. School system that assumes that everyone is perfectly motivated, organized and disciplined at all times will fail a lot. Second, many people are motivated by social contact with other people who do the same thing. By both competition and mutual help. That is again quite normal for humans and these people will find watching videos more boring.
dorchadas 6y ago
Yep, this is what I've noticed at the high school level. Only the self-motivated kids, and the kids who want to learn and pass are learning and passing. The others just don't even have to give a pretense of it anymore since they're not physically there. I can only imagine how people think fully remote learning will work long term, without an overhaul in how our education system is structured (does everyone need to know algebra 2 or how to balance chemical reactions?)

atmosx 6y ago

If we're going to base our educational system in shaming and pushing "knowledge" down the throat of uninterested group of ppl, then we might want to start asking "why are these ppl uninterested?" and "how we can change that?", "why uninterested parties in X took the subject", etc.

abdullahkhalids 6y ago
Shame is completely natural emotion that exists in a wide variety of human social interactions to modulate behavior. Sometimes it is negative, sometimes it is positive. Here is a positive example: https://habitica.com/ https://habitica.com/ In education, fear of failing your in front of your peers or teachers is a strong motivator for most people. It is a positive thing in most such cases. > "why uninterested parties in X took the subject" As for this, it is known, that sometimes in life we have to beneficial things that we hate. Like washing the dishes. We are not "basing our educational system on it", but part of it will often be beneficial+uninteresting.
watwut 6y ago
You can be generally interested in subject and still not be in mood to pay attention this week. It is completely normal for humans to have ups and downs in motivation or to find some part of material more interesting then others. Or to be tired because you stayed too late last night. It is also completely normal for humans to be disorganized or procastinate. School system that assumes that everyone is perfectly motivated, organized and disciplined at all times will fail a lot. Second, many people are motivated by social contact with other people who do the same thing. By both competition and mutual help. That is again quite normal for humans and these people will find watching videos more boring.

dorchadas 6y ago

Yep, this is what I've noticed at the high school level. Only the self-motivated kids, and the kids who want to learn and pass are learning and passing. The others just don't even have to give a pretense of it anymore since they're not physically there. I can only imagine how people think fully remote learning will work long term, without an overhaul in how our education system is structured (does everyone need to know algebra 2 or how to balance chemical reactions?)