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CIA Releases UFO Documents
- mc32 6y agoThe CIA and not NASA or the USAF? Why would the CIA handle this information, or did they abscond with it from others like USSR, etc?
- jazzyjackson 6y agoBecause aliens is a cover story for flying in each others airspace
- DennisAleynikov 6y agoboy would this be the best possible outcome alternatively we're just a zoological survey site
- gdubya 6y agoThis is a planet where the dominant species still burns each other alive for "witchcraft": https://www.iol.co.za/news/mob-locks-woman-80-inside-house-and-sets-it-alight-after-accusing-her-of-witchcraft--e9665f7e-9578-4c58-8549-18cb6c358c1b https://www.iol.co.za/news/mob-locks-woman-80-inside-house-a... No wonder no alien race wants to establish contact with us.
- me_me_me 6y agowhy would any gov test a super secret technology in foreign territory risking it being exposed or worse capture?
- wil421 6y agoSpy plans and spy drones. Most of the Area 51 sitings were yet to be known spy planes. SR 71 and the U2 come to mind.
- me_me_me 6y agoYes but that US planes being tested over US soil. Later on they were used to spy on USSR. But why would Russia or any other country spy on the us coast and let US detect them. The only explanation that to me is probable is those are US UFOs being tested/interacted on with unaware normal troops. But then again, why? Why test them out near and airforce/navy exercises?
- z3ncyberpunk 6y agowho do you think heads, runs espionage for, and utilizes the tr-3bs?
- D13Fd 6y agoThe physical CD-ROM looks like something from a bad infomercial.
- frabjoused 6y agoIt almost feels like whoever released it was having a last laugh. You want it, here you go.
- ketamine__ 6y agoWhat a great time in history to encourage more conspiracy-minded thinking.
- stretchcat 6y agoI had the opposite first reaction; give the conspiracy theorists a big dump of juicy mostly harmless nonsense to sink their teeth into, to get their minds off the more disturbing stuff, if only by a little.
- knolax 6y agoI wouldn't call UFO conspiracy theories harmless given the past occurrence of UFO suicide cults like Heaven's Gate.
- jsnk 6y agoYou are assuming that suicide cults are somehow harmful to the goals of CIA.
- piracy1 6y agoBut that's not UFO centric, that's death cult centric.
- stretchcat 6y agoThis poll found that 33% of Americans believe alien spacecraft have visited earth: https://news.gallup.com/poll/266441/americans-skeptical-ufos-say-government-knows.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/266441/americans-skeptical-ufos... So while most people don't believe this stuff, it's not exactly fringe either. That's maybe a hundred million people who believe aliens are coming to earth, while Heaven's Gate was 41 people. Using belief in UFOs as the basis for a religion has happened a few times, but it's very fringe.
- secfirstmd 6y agoTo be fair a huge chunk of the American population and leadership believe a woman had a child without being inseminated by a man, that all of the animals in the world fit on an a big boat and that the Earth was created a few thousand years ago. By comparison aliens stopping by for a cigarette break on earth at some stage in the past 4.7 billion years sounds more likely.
- sjg007 6y agobunk
- astrea 6y agoI sometimes think the earth passed through a wormhole and we now exist in some alternate dimension. What does the Simpsons have to say about this?
- h2odragon 6y agoIts more waves in the ocean. like Vinge's "Zones of thought" but more "pressure differentials of st00pit" in a sea of more than 3 dimensions. I'm waiting for magic to come back.
- imposterr 6y agoIt all started when they killed that damned ape.
- senectus1 6y agoMandela Effect: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFicynChnoE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFicynChnoE
- op03 6y agoDont have a cow man.
- quotemstr 6y agoOne theory holds that the world ended when the Large Hadron Collider got switched on and that everything since has been a demented simulation.
- Hnrobert42 6y agoI understand that the latest CoVID-19 relief act in the US requires the US IC to make an unclassified report on what they know about UFOs to Congress in Spring 2021.
- cyral 6y agoFYI The budget bill included Covid relief, but that wasn’t the purpose of it. It’s the same thing that happens every year.
- Hnrobert42 6y agoSorry. Was going from memory.
- infocollector 6y agoWhen I read a few PDFs in this collection - it does not seem helpful. Anyone else perhaps can confirm that this is the case?
- ALittleLight 6y agoI opened four at random and only one seemed to be about UFOs that I could tell. It was a reply stating that the air force, and not the CIA, dealt with UFOs.
- pp19dd 6y agoI don't know the provenance of this stuff, any of it, it's presented as a raw dump so legwork is on us but at least individual PDFs are OCR'd. Firebugging the site and adding a rule for a:visited { color: purple } helps out when hunting for anything odd. June 26, 1996 just 30 minutes past midnight - Lithuanian police spot a UFO "near the Lithuanian border": https://documents2.theblackvault.com/documents/cia/ufos/C05516234.pdf https://documents2.theblackvault.com/documents/cia/ufos/C055... "Patrol officers Jaunius Pozera and Laimis Kraujalis placed the whole Vilnius police on the alert. Vehicle loads of soldiers from the Aras Rapid reaction force, sniffer dogs and police reinforcements immediately arrived on the scene of the emergency." "At an altitude of 20-30 meters above the ground, they noticed a spherical object hanging and 'Pulsing,' alternately shrinking and expanding. At the same time, they heard what they described as 'a strange sound like an electric or electronic crackle,' wanting to take a closer look at the UFO, the policemen moved toward it. When they had advanced about 50 meters through the long grass, the police said, the sphere moved away, rose higher and rapidly departed in the direction of Vilnius." " ... it was noted that the tall grass around the place over which the sphere had 'hung' was flattened to a radius of 10 meters.' The geography of this FBI translation/writeup from Moscow's news agency is a bit bizarrely described, perhaps something definitely lost in translation, but it looks like it happened on the Lithuanian border with Belarus, some 10 miles away from the city. "Police commissioner Valentinas Juchnevicius said in a radio interview today that both officers who watched the shining object 'are psychologically healthy, normal people, not noted for crankiness.' Edit: this is fascinating. More of these I look at, more they look like a lazy search-and-dump of various US intelligence agencies' foreign media monitoring translations. For example, a translated Bosnian op-ed came up mentioning UFOs because the columnist was sarcastically complaining about how Washington normally communicates with extraterrestrials but yet can't find Karadzic (who'd been on the run for a time.)
- rasengan 6y agoThe 8th document [1] made it clear to me that alien life exists and a coverup took place as records make it appear that Dr. Davidson had a different stance. We are not alone. [1] https://documents2.theblackvault.com/documents/cia/ufos/C05515650.pdf https://documents2.theblackvault.com/documents/cia/ufos/C055...
- owens99 6y agoCan you provide more information?
- furyofantares 6y agoWhat did you believe before reading that document?
- rasengan 6y agoThat he didn't think it was a space message [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Davidson#Personal_life https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Davidson#Personal_life
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- vncecartersknee 6y agoIt's hard to read but it seems to just be saying "Can you please track down the message and give it to him because he wont stop asking for it and it's getting annoying" ? Can't really see any evidence of a coverup there.
- rasengan 6y agoIt says that they tried to satisfy him with a fake story and that he was too smart for that.
- chrononaut 6y agoYeah, this seems a bit bizarre. Without any knowledge of what this incident is referring to and with only this context, "the message was in identifiable morse code and from a known US licensed radio station" should by default be more plausible than "a space message".
- joubert 6y agoOn CD-ROM?
- forgingahead 6y agoThis was the result of a 25-year multi-team feasibility study about upgrading from the previous medium: floppy disks.
- techdragon 6y agoI honestly can't tell if this is sarcasm or legitimate... having worked in government IT before this sounds sadly plausible.
- toast0 6y agoThe CIA stopped responding to FOIA with zip disks ages ago.[1] I would expect a hundred megs or so of pdfs/scanned documents to be on a CD-R though; much less expensive than per page copy fees. Can't tell if the disc in question is actually pressed or a writable disc; the label is offset a bit, but not enough for me to get a good idea of the underlying color. [1] For removal of doubt, I just made that up.
- tempodox 6y agoWe should be glad it wasn't a tape reel.
- tpmx 6y agoC05517813.pdf is.. just weird. "TAKE 5 OF 8--POSSIBLE SCENARIOS FOR SUMMER KIDNAPPINGS OF 5 BARNAUL COEDS DETAILED, INCLUDING POSSIBILITY THEY WERE ABDUCTED FOR SLAVERY, ORGAN TRANSPLANTATIDN SCHEMES, OTHER MEDICAL EXPERIMENTATION" Edit: this one seems like pretty random musings of a CIA agent in the USSR based on disapperances that happened there. Probably just some serial killer? :/ Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnaul_Maniac https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnaul_Maniac
- sjg007 6y agowhere is BARNAUL?
- tpmx 6y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnaul https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnaul
- guerrilla 6y agoMaybe: "Barnaul is the largest city and administrative center of Altai Krai, Russia, located at the confluence of the Barnaulka and Ob Rivers in the West Siberian Plain" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnaul https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnaul
- sjg007 6y agoNonsense. It's overly specific. Try again.
- techdragon 6y agoFrom what I can tell (I could be wrong about this) this has nothing to do with the recently legislated requirement to release information regarding UFOs that was added into the budget bill. This seems to just be either coincidence or timed to take advantage of recent interest in UFO material due to the news about what was included in the budget bill.
- lend000 6y agoMany of these are correspondences with random people with varying levels of credibility. Taken alone, we can't draw any conclusion from a single person claiming an observation of a UFO. Statistically, however, there needs to be a convincing psychiatric study that people with no history of mental illness and "good moral standing" in the community can have a single hallucinatory event, often with multiple witnesses and specific details common across different sightings, to discount these observers as crazy, like so many here do. What is the mechanism? Our society is mostly based on witness testimony and trust, at the end of the day (we are coming back full circle with the advent of deepfakes). I'm not talking about seeing a dot of light moving strangely in the distance or something seen for only two seconds. Skeptical people rightly point out that those typically have a prosaic explanation, and often not a very exceptional one. I'm referring to the "close encounters" in which the witness(es) couldn't possibly mistake the giant black triangle silent floating 50 feet over a car with dozens of witnesses. Or the ranchers who check on the strongest bull in their herd one day, and the next find it precisely mutilated about a field, along with a dozen others, with no blood to be found. Or the entire schools full of children reporting metal objects landing with beings coming out to communicate with them telepathically. I do not doubt that some of them are crazy, but all of them? With what mental illness?
- hobby-coder-guy 6y agoSources? Which one do you believe to be true?
- sjg007 6y agoIf the truth is out there, start with yourself.
- philip142au 6y agoWith hypnotism its trivial, maybe a guy who previously worked at a travelling circus lost his job and goes around and hypnotises people to believe they saw a UFO.
- paulryanrogers 6y agoMass hysteria can make otherwise rational people behave very irrationally. And once claims are made--for many cultures--it's difficult to recant without losing face. There's also the risk of being left out of a group if close companions make a claim. Growing up in a very charismatic flavor of Christianity I thought I 'experienced' a lot of phenomenon that I now look back on with contempt. People preach, seek out, and legit believe (despite no hard evidence) in supernatural healing, limbs regrowing, divine languages, divine laughter/joy, spontaneous creation of jewels, etc. IME the claims that become most popular are the ones impossible to falsify. So testimony is usually all that's left.
- knolax 6y agoEveryone knows the MiB are the ones in charge of alien investigations. This is just a diversion./s
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- m3kw9 6y agoYes? No?
- sahin 6y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25755415 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25755415
- blackrock 6y agoDid anyone get probed? Those were the creepiest scenes from the 80s movies.
- King-Aaron 6y agoFrom an arbitrary click-through of some of these, it doesn't seem to be particularly ground-breaking. I still feel that the US Navy gimball/go-fast/etc videos are the closest thing to a "smoking gun" on the subject so far, and along with the interviews with Commander David Fravor are the most credible sightings to date. I'd really love to see the government release their real thoughts on the UAP subject - be it exotic technology from a foreign power, exotic technology from the US, or indeed extra terrestrial. However I feel we'll all be old and/or dead by the time that actually happens.
- infradig 6y agoNot much of a smoking gun... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Le7Fqbsrrm8 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Le7Fqbsrrm8
- King-Aaron 6y agoBeing fair, I said 'the closest thing to' a smoking gun. Plus you can't take these videos in isolation without considering that they were taken by trained observers using military grade sensor equipment. Not some random yokel in 1975 with an instamatic camera.
- libertine 6y ago>Plus you can't take these videos in isolation without considering that they were taken by trained observers using military grade sensor equipment. Not some random yokel in 1975 with an instamatic camera. In one of the events 4 trained observers, at the same time, backed up by a one of the most advanced radar systems in the US Navy (at the time), and later on the same day by another 2 trained observers that captured one of the videos.
- secfirstmd 6y agoIt's worth listening to The Fighter Pilot podcast interview with him and a radar guy. It wasn't just a quick flash in the pan incident. Reports had been coming in for weeks. It had been seen on the East coast aswelll and the Mexican military also picked up on the objects.
- LargoLasskhyfv 6y agoViewing of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS686LcT1Us https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS686LcT1Us (2minutes) is deemed obligatory to "get in the mood" ;-)
- DeafSquid 6y agohttps://m.facebook.com/story/graphql_permalink/?graphql_id=UzpfSTE2MjE2ODQ3Mzg1ODA3MTo0OTQ2MTcxMjA4NzkxMDgz https://m.facebook.com/story/graphql_permalink/?graphql_id=U...
- a0-prw 6y agoWhen people can literally believe their dicks are disappearing, while said organ is in plain view, any extraordinary claims about UFOs should be treated sceptically: "Koro is a culture-bound syndrome delusional disorder in which an individual has an overpowering belief that his or her sex organs are retracting and will disappear" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koro_(medicine) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koro_(medicine)
- LargoLasskhyfv 6y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_(disease) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_(disease) :-)
- ackbar03 6y agoI had a friend in high school who used to do a magic trick where he would claim that he made your dick disappear. He used to do it all the time and find it amusing. He ipo'd his startup last year and made a lot of money.
- ismaildonmez 6y agoReal life Randy Marsh then :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cock_Magic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cock_Magic
- snapetom 6y agoWhat was the trick?
- ackbar03 6y agohe just declares that your dick is gone. its then on you if you want to prove him wrong
- tempodox 6y agoTo prove the magic didn't work you'd have to show your dick to the whole classroom. The trick doesn't lie in whatever ritual was performed but in your presumed unwillingness to do what you had to do to prove it ineffective.
- colordrops 6y agoIf the CIA did indeed have documented evidence of extraterrestrials, then they've obviously been keeping it a secret. What makes anyone think that this extra-judicial agency wouldn't redact and filter the contents of an FOIA request?
- nix23 6y agoNo one said something about extraterrestrials, a UFO is just that: An unidentified flying object.
- Havoc 6y agoCDrom but no torrent?
- retox 6y agoThe direct download is fast enough, 350MB at +5MB/s doesn't take long. I was surprised at the speed actually.
- 1970-01-01 6y agoWhat we want is something like 4K video of UFOs flying around the Rocky Mountains. That would be satisfying proof that taxes are not being wasted. What we get is some bullshit that came out of someone's mouth, which was then typed into a report, and finally scanned into PDF and put online for the public to see. At least its not disinformation.
- staticvar 6y agoI used to think UFO sighting meant some kind craft piloted by extra terrestrial beings. Are they often planes piloted by humans you don't know?